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Old May 6th, 2008, 04:48 PM
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Just for what it is worth this is the feedback form one of our customers in Chile who just got his new 2008 Defender and will be sending it to us for some upgrades.
I found his comments on the new dash interesting considering all of us NAS guys look at the new dash as a good thing.
His comments as follows:

The car is fabulous - that is, the "Landrover" spirit is still very much in tact however, I am a little disappointed at the supposed upgrades to its comfort factor.

The car is presently located in Santiago, Chile but as fellow lovers of the car, I am sure of your readiness to carry out solutions to my difficulties.

The seats
Even though they are brand new, they are hopelessly uncomfortable for drives beyond a brief visit to the nearest supermarket. I wish to change them. Do you know which alternative seats best fit? (Please say the new Volvo leather seats complete with massage and air vents for stay-fresh driving!)

The dashboard
I am tempted to replace the new dashboard – for the previous one! The (console) on the new model is dreadfully plastic and bulky - in fact - entirely unnecessary for the tiny commission of holding a few buttons and a radio at odd angles from the driver. Need mention be made of the circular vents? These were seemingly designed to frighten everybody as they peer into the car. What’s more they produce the ghastly effect of reducing (seemingly) an already reduced windscreen panorama and driver visibility is thought to suffer. A return to the old dashboard should restore to the cockpit a sense of space and rid it of the current storm of unnecessary parts.

I think the electric buttons - and all the other buttons that today jut-out of a bulky plastic square - should look better (and more practically feel better) were they fitted to the front slanted side of the cubby box.
The previous design has oodles of space for things and really only needed some rubber base to it with one or two dividers to keep things from flaying about. It had none of the curly, bulky plastic affects of the new one.

I find the co-pilot's frontal handle bar another item hardly worthy of description beyond, perhaps, that of “fantastically useless”. The more I study it, the more I want to have medically examined the head of the one who put it there. I think the air conditioning motor could be fitted into the box under the passenger seat and the vents re-designed to provide air somewhere more general to the driver than his having it channeled at him as if from an oncoming car.
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Old May 6th, 2008, 05:16 PM
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Who designs these things!!?? its as if the designers they hire have ZERO creativity and follow the masses, or just base their decisions solely on looks, and never prototype/test these changes..

Jeez as soemone who would give a nut to design for LR, hearing this makes me want to vomit..

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Old May 6th, 2008, 05:20 PM
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Just for what it is worth this is the feedback form one of our customers in Chile who just got his new 2008 Defender and will be sending it to us for some upgrades.
I found his comments on the new dash interesting considering all of us NAS guys look at the new dash as a good thing.
His comments as follows:

The dashboard
I am tempted to replace the new dashboard – for the previous one!
Hmm, in that case, could you conceiveably make functional bulkhead vents ??
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Old May 6th, 2008, 05:24 PM
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You probably thank someone at Ford for the interior "upgrade" Lets hope the Indians do a better job.
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Old May 6th, 2008, 05:49 PM
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True...

But.....

It IS what they need to do to appeal to the "normal" people and keep selling the things. They can not keep them in the 1950s design and expect that people keep buying them. Look at Jeep. The enthusiasts whined about the JK, but they sell like hotcackes.....
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Old May 6th, 2008, 06:34 PM
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But does it have cup holders and a vanity mirror?

I can't imagine that the seats are that much different from the original ones, are they?
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You probably thank someone at Ford for the interior "upgrade" Lets hope the Indians do a better job.
IMO, of the big 3, Ford interiors are the worst. But how much involvement could/did Ford really have with the Defender class?
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Old May 6th, 2008, 06:38 PM
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Who says all us NAS owners like the new dash? I prefer my old one......Flagg
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Old May 6th, 2008, 07:04 PM
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x2 I like my vents under the windscreen, helps clear out the cabin. I like the space there also and the location of the radio in the console. I think the layout is perfect, the HVAC is adequate for a SW, I imagine its pretty miserable in the ST.
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Old May 6th, 2008, 07:13 PM
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But does it have cup holders and a vanity mirror?

I can't imagine that the seats are that much different from the original ones, are they?
IMO, of the big 3, Ford interiors are the worst. But how much involvement could/did Ford really have with the Defender class?
Honestly i cant say they had anything to do with the Defender but I was in a friends new Expedition the other day and I was really surprised how similar the interior materials and color scheme was to my wifes 03 Range Rover.
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Let me know when it is at the shop so I can "steal" it and leave the owner a check for its value.
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Ok, I'll go on record. If and when that dash comes out, I'll take it off your hands Mike.
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Old May 6th, 2008, 11:47 PM
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How is he getting it hear for you to do the work is what I would like to know. Is it possible to get a temp reg or can he just drive it across the border and say he is on vacation or getting work done in the states?
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Old May 7th, 2008, 09:26 AM
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Who says all us NAS owners like the new dash? I prefer my old one......Flagg
I love the classic and simplistic design of the parcel tray...and i LOVE the LR vents so much, I had pendy swap out my bulkhead for vented ones. If LR would just galvanize the frames at the factory and leave the defender the way it is, they could go on selling forever in my opinion. The Defender is the vehicle that shouldn't bow to the soccer mom's wishes. The only other vehicle that had a chance was the Hummer H1....god rest it's sole.
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Old May 7th, 2008, 10:33 AM
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Hate to say it, but the interior will have to change if this vehicle will be sold anywhere in the developed world. Safety regs will drive this process.

The ventilation flow is bad, but removing the functional vents is a loser.

IMO, what hurt the Defender most for the past decade was the attitude of the parent owner. It was viewed a relic needing a replacement on the new platform. The truck is falling behind the times because no development was put into furthering some form of a utility/basic platform. For too long there was this idea that the Defender would be replaced by a lifestyle version. Neither Ford nor BMW put any effort into the current model or a future Defender in vein with what we have now. As a result, the Defender will receive band-aid fixes such as the new dash.
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i agree with Robert. If they can do it to the G Wagen why not the Defender?
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Old May 7th, 2008, 02:34 PM
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Hate to say it, but the interior will have to change if this vehicle will be sold anywhere in the developed world. Safety regs will drive this process.

The ventilation flow is bad, but removing the functional vents is a loser.

IMO, what hurt the Defender most for the past decade was the attitude of the parent owner. It was viewed a relic needing a replacement on the new platform. The truck is falling behind the times because no development was put into furthering some form of a utility/basic platform. For too long there was this idea that the Defender would be replaced by a lifestyle version. Neither Ford nor BMW put any effort into the current model or a future Defender in vein with what we have now. As a result, the Defender will receive band-aid fixes such as the new dash.
Nicely summarized.
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Old June 29th, 2008, 08:36 PM
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I'd take that funky new dash along with the new 6 speed tranny, 2.4L diesel, forward facing 3rd row jumpseats and ROLL DOWN WINDOWS....if the dang thing can be certified for EU emissions why not here? Hopefully the new owner will reconsider bringing it back across the pond. Makes me green with envy just looking at the website. http://www.landrover.co.uk/gb/en/Veh...tion_wagon.htm
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. For too long there was this idea that the Defender would be replaced by a lifestyle version. .
that happed back when they decided to make the NAS.
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The dash does protrude out a lot compared to the old type.

i test drove one a while back and my left knee (right hand drive here in UK) kept banging on the corner. right PITA (well, PITKnee )

the seats are slightly different, although not much, there is supposidly some improvement on the lumbar support, although ecternally they look almost identical (i've just picked up a pair of discovery series 1 seats for the project110)

gearbox,nice, the 6 speed is nice to use

2.4 engine? ok, limited on the amount of power that can be wrung from it. about 150~160bhp max.

Td5? 200bhp, and still within (UK) emissions limits.
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