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Old May 31st, 2017, 11:59 PM
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So I called them ad they said they stand by the car, and that it would get a title no problem. I am skeptical though. I am going to call back tomorrow and talked to the manager. I guess I am getting my hopes up...it seemed to good to be true. I just dont have 75K to gamble on a car....but I want it!

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You gave yourself an answer: you don't have 75k to gamble. EDIT: glad you're gonna hunt for another truck

Only way I would ever entertain the idea is if I had a few things:

1) Money to waste (IE would not miss $75k worst case)
2) A fantastic lawyer who was able to get:
3) Signed affidavit from the dealer that it was lawfully [imported?] titled, registered, and legal to drive, sell, transfer, insure, under federal and state law.
4) A signed/notarized/filed contract from the dealer stating they will repay buyer the purchase price immediately in full should the vehicle ever be seized by feds, unable to be titled, registered, etc. No expiry, no adjustment for depreciation, mileage, wear and tear, etc. Would this hold up in court? My fantastic lawyer would figure that out.

And still it would be with the knowledge that it was not a legal 25 year old correctly imported car.

Without those things I might buy it for less than 10 grand and have a cool farm truck.
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Old June 1st, 2017, 12:51 AM
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Screw the cool farm truck - take the $75k & buy a cool farm.
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Google is your friend- this took 2 mins. Belonged to this guy Global-Detour

Likely entered the US on a travel carnet and broke down in Oregon, ie never left as it was supposed to
Looks like the guy just abandoned it.
Why can't someone who abandons a vehicle call us?
We could use a set of doors and some newer seats.
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Old June 1st, 2017, 08:30 AM
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You gave yourself an answer: you don't have 75k to gamble. EDIT: glad you're gonna hunt for another truck

Only way I would ever entertain the idea is if I had a few things:

1) Money to waste (IE would not miss $75k worst case)
2) A fantastic lawyer who was able to get:
3) Signed affidavit from the dealer that it was lawfully [imported?] titled, registered, and legal to drive, sell, transfer, insure, under federal and state law.
4) A signed/notarized/filed contract from the dealer stating they will repay buyer the purchase price immediately in full should the vehicle ever be seized by feds, unable to be titled, registered, etc. No expiry, no adjustment for depreciation, mileage, wear and tear, etc. Would this hold up in court? My fantastic lawyer would figure that out.

And still it would be with the knowledge that it was not a legal 25 year old correctly imported car.

Without those things I might buy it for less than 10 grand and have a cool farm truck.
Add to that had a legal address/or lived in Canada and only had to wait a couple more years (I think).


Could someone in theory sit on this until:
1. The truck becomes 25 years old
2. The law changes to allow

Or would it not matter since the truck got here before it was 25 years old? Just curious.
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Here is another one in Texas:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/391795997231

Titling is up to the state (remember the Titles Unlimited fiasco?). The chance of the fed coming after you is slim to none. The only real challenges are procuring a title (once you have one, you are good to go in almost any state, but safest in the state that issues the title), getting it insured, getting it registered, and getting it inspected. Each of these steps brings risk depending on the state you are in. Find a nice NAS. You'll sleep better.
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Just in case you are not familiar with Weaver and TU, here is a summary. BTW, many believe the stress of this situation caused the early death of Boyd Coddington who was one of the primary focal points of the TU investigation:

Alabama man arrested in $14 million fraud case

By Don Thompson
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SACRAMENTO - An Alabama man has been convicted for his role in a wide-ranging scam that may have cost California $14 million in lost taxes and license fees since 1975, the state attorney general's office said Wednesday.


Arrest warrants simultaneously were issued for four California businessmen alleged to have helped their customers avoid smog requirements by fraudulently registering their vehicles.


Richard Clark Weaver, 56, of Birmingham, Ala., owner of Titles Unlimited, also doing business as Pinson Valley Auto Sales, was convicted Friday of providing fraudulent vehicle purchase agreements to California owners for $200 by mail. The agreements gave a false year the vehicle had been manufactured, and falsely said the vehicles had been purchased from Weaver at a low price.


The owners then could use the false documents to avoid smog registrations and to pay lower taxes. The Department of Motor Vehicles is canceling the registrations, and prosecutors in more than 20 California counties have been notified so they can consider bringing charges against the vehicle owners.


Weaver faces a maximum three-year prison term at his May 7 sentencing.


Investigators found at least five other companies in Alabama, Nevada, New York and Florida that together may have helped in the false registration of as many as 70,000 vehicles, though no charges against them have been filed. Attorney General Bill Lockyer said the investigation will continue into the loss of millions of dollars he said California can ill afford.


Of 613 vehicle purchases Weaver helped falsify since 1999, more than 150 were Cobra "kit" or "replica" cars that typically cost more than $40,000 but were usually registered as older Fords with values of $500, costing the state at least $500,000. One Cobra cost $120,000 but was registered as costing $70,000, prosecutors said.


The four arrest warrants issued Friday are for Lance Stander and Kimberly Marie Calder, both of Tustin, owner and employee, respectively, of Hilbank Motor Corp. in Costa Mesa; Dean Alan Woodruff of Alta Loma, owner of Woodruff's House of Cobras in Anaheim; and Craig Hill of Livermore, owner of Top of the Hill Performance Center in Livermore.


An employee at the Livermore company declined comment; a telephone directory search for the other businesses yielded no listings Wednesday.


Authorities allege they sold the replicas and helped the buyers falsely register the vehicles.


The probe began in October 2001 with Yolo County's investigation of former Woodland police officer Terry Brown's registration of a 2000 Superperformance Cobra using Weaver's documents. He pleaded guilty in April 2002 to making a false statement to DMV, repaid $3,030 and performed 80 hours of public service.
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Old June 1st, 2017, 09:17 AM
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Why can't someone who abandons a vehicle call us?
We could use a set of doors and some newer seats.
The shop he left it @ filed a 10k mechanics lien on it. Looks like they fixed it and he couldn't afford the repair bill.
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Old June 1st, 2017, 10:28 AM
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Add to that had a legal address/or lived in Canada and only had to wait a couple more years (I think).


Could someone in theory sit on this until:
1. The truck becomes 25 years old
2. The law changes to allow

Or would it not matter since the truck got here before it was 25 years old? Just curious.
Getting it out of country now I would assume is equally complex. So if true and it can't be exported I doubt it can be re-imported.

This truck is good for parts. Buy it and rebuild on a POS row with good papers. Happens everyday.
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Old June 1st, 2017, 10:29 AM
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, OR - Daily Journal of Commerce

"PERSUANT TO ORS CHAPTER 87 Notice is hereby given that the following vehicle will be sold, for cash to the highest bidder, on 8/10/2015. The sale will be held at 10:00am by PDX BRITlSH 604 SE GRANT ST PORTLAND, OR 2004 Land Rover Defender VIN = SALLDHM584A677711 Amount due on lien $10775.00 Reputed owner(s) Maximillian Kawlath Published July 29 & Aug 5, 2015. 10824306"

NOTE: The auction of the vehicle pursuant to a lien does not make it US legal. Because the vehicle was here under a temporary import permit to a non-US citizen for a period of a year, and because no import duties were paid, it is considered to be "smuggled" goods. In the government's eyes, it will be treated no differently than illegally smuggled drugs and ignorance will not be a defense when federal agents show up to seize it.
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Old June 1st, 2017, 10:35 AM
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, OR - Daily Journal of Commerce

"PERSUANT TO ORS CHAPTER 87 Notice is hereby given that the following vehicle will be sold, for cash to the highest bidder, on 8/10/2015. The sale will be held at 10:00am by PDX BRITlSH 604 SE GRANT ST PORTLAND, OR 2004 Land Rover Defender VIN = SALLDHM584A677711 Amount due on lien $10775.00 Reputed owner(s) Maximillian Kawlath Published July 29 & Aug 5, 2015. 10824306"

NOTE: The auction of the vehicle pursuant to a lien does not make it US legal. Because the vehicle was here under a temporary import permit to a non-US citizen for a period of a year, and because no import duties were paid, it is considered to be "smuggled" goods. In the government's eyes, it will be treated no differently than illegally smuggled drugs and ignorance will not be a defense when federal agents show up to seize it.
That should be sent to the smug selling dealer and say I will give you $11,000 cash for this parts truck.
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There are a lot of people out there hoping to find the "unsuspecting deep pocket buyer" that isn't well educated on these vehicles. I'm sure they are out there, and eventually someone gets burned.

For example...

If anyone thinks this is a 1992 and can just drive it over the border, they are in for a reality check.

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I would think splitting it for parts would be considered hiding smuggled goods. I think the Feds should seize and re auction it as parts or ship it overseas and not allow mr maxamillion into the states until he pays his bills. Leaving things like this hanging around the market it the same as allowing random land mines to exist in public spaces. IMO


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I hate to say it but wouldn't it be simpler to just take these links to these listings and send them to Clint Lindsay at the NHTSA, and very shortly they will no longer be a problem. Just saying!
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There are a lot of people out there hoping to find the "unsuspecting deep pocket buyer" that isn't well educated on these vehicles. I'm sure they are out there, and eventually someone gets burned.



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If anyone thinks this is a 1992 and can just drive it over the border, they are in for a reality check.



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I would think splitting it for parts would be considered hiding smuggled goods. I think the Feds should seize and re auction it as parts or ship it overseas and not allow mr maxamillion into the states until he pays his bills. Leaving things like this hanging around the market it the same as allowing random land mines to exist in public spaces. IMO


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Good point. After I hit post that is what I was thinking.
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I hate to say it but wouldn't it be simpler to just take these links to these listings and send them to Clint Lindsay at the NHTSA, and very shortly they will no longer be a problem. Just saying!
Please be aware that Clint Lindsay retired from NHTSA about two (2) months ago and his former email address has since been disabled.
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I hate to say it but wouldn't it be simpler to just take these links to these listings and send them to Clint Lindsay at the NHTSA, and very shortly they will no longer be a problem. Just saying!
I think we should do our jobs and let others do their jobs and leave bad enough alone.
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I'm pretty sure posting these things on this public forum is a nearly 100% certainty of bringing the vehicle to the attention of customs... This is probably the main investigation tool.
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