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Old February 6th, 2011, 08:30 PM
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1994 Beluga Black D90 - Rare?

How rare is the 1994 Beluga Black D90? It's my understanding that only 100 were imported late in the model year. Does it command a premium price over other 1994 D90's as a result?

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Old February 6th, 2011, 08:49 PM
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I think all years in black has a slight premium. Blue as well.
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Yup, you basically explained how "rare" the black ones are for 1994, but really doesn't mean much in terms of a premium over any other black ST from '95 (closest comparison) from what I've seen. Have only really seen three to four really good examples of what the limited black '94s were, still equipped with their special limited flair. Blue ST is surely more "rare", in terms of less blue STs were produced than other desirable colors; mainly because of a single year of availability.
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Old February 6th, 2011, 09:05 PM
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Blue sold so poorly in 94 which is why it was killed for 95. Never understood that. I love it.
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Blue sold so poorly in 94 which is why it was killed for 95. Never understood that. I love it.
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Old February 6th, 2011, 09:58 PM
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me three! Good luck with your purchase.

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Old February 6th, 2011, 10:17 PM
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Old February 6th, 2011, 10:24 PM
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If you look in the D-90 Owners Bios, page 4 under my name there are several pics of my rig. They are from 2000 when Chuque started D-90.com, but my rig is pretty much the same. I can PM you more if you like. Go Arles Blue!

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Old February 6th, 2011, 10:27 PM
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Old February 6th, 2011, 10:29 PM
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Just checked it out. Looks good. I want to see your custom bike rack.
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Once you go black you never go back.
That's just wrong for a man to say, just plain wrong.
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Yup, you basically explained how "rare" the black ones are for 1994, but really doesn't mean much in terms of a premium over any other black ST from '95 (closest comparison) from what I've seen. Have only really seen three to four really good examples of what the limited black '94s were, still equipped with their special limited flair. Blue ST is surely more "rare", in terms of less blue STs were produced than other desirable colors; mainly because of a single year of availability.
Thanks for the info rijosho. Can you please explain what you saw in those black '94s? What was that flair? I'm considering the purchase of one, but there isn't much distinguishing it as an LE except for the black vinyl (not leather) seats and a chrome shift knob. Thanks.
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Also A-Bar, side steps, rear tread (?) if I'm recalling.
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Old February 6th, 2011, 11:19 PM
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Well the shift knob shouldn't be chrome. Originally it was a limited color (only color clear coated) and they charged more for it. The 94's all had leather and if I am not mistaken came with the back seat and a chrome a bar and steps. The steps and a bar might be up for debate. I have seen them with them and without them. Finding a nice black 94 is tough. Most have trashed interiors by now. The leather did not wear well. If you found one that is nice and original with low miles it would be a cool truck to have.

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Also A-Bar, side steps, rear tread (?) if I'm recalling.
rear tread?
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Old February 6th, 2011, 11:21 PM
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The seats (including the rear bench) were real leather in the BB '94s, and they were also sold with R-380's installed- the other '94's had LT-77's that were replaced at the purchasers' discretion for R-380's due to a recall. In addition, they were sold with Surrey tops included. That's all I can think of besides what Horsey said.

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The side steps are gone; the A bar is replaced with a full front bar (if that's what you call it); and I don't know what rear tread is.

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Well the shift knob shouldn't be chrome. Originally it was a limited color (only color clear coated) and they charged more for it. The 94's all had leather and if I am not mistaken came with the back seat and a chrome a bar and steps. The steps and a bar might be up for debate. I have seen them with them and without them. Finding a nice black 94 is tough. Most have trashed interiors by now. The leather did not wear well. If you found one that is nice and original with low miles it would be a cool truck to have.

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rear tread?
This is great info everyone, thanks. I would say that the truck I'm looking at hasn't aged particularly well, but it's not a disaster either. I suppose the leather was replaced with vinyl due to the wear factor. The rest of the interior is in decent shape. The dash isn't cracked and the door panels are in good shape. No rust in the bulkhead and the frame is solid. It has 93,000 miles, so it's no spring chicken, but it's not too bad. The drivetrain is in good shape with a touch of leakage from the main seal and the transfer case, if I recall. The oil lines are original; there's a leak at the power steering reservoir and a slight coolant leak as well. The engine hums and the exhaust is stainless. I can't tell if the body has been repainted, but I suspect it has. There are a couple of bubble spots in the paint, but they are minor. The doors have the usual surface rust at the bottom.

I'm trying to figure out a good price to offer for it, hence the question as to the LE '94. I do like the fact that it is an LE, if only that it's a good story to tell, but curious to know if it commands a premium price as well.
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Old February 7th, 2011, 05:04 PM
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Hey here are some comparable (previously sold) trucks:

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ighlight=black
http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ighlight=black

Alex's truck had a rovers north soft top (2k value and you will find the stock bestop aggravating)
The second truck looks to have similar specs to yours but with a fiberglass hardtop included and various modifications that could be sold off. Both were asking 4k less than this dealer.

Also know that regardless of mileage, these cars are going on 16 years old and will need maintenance. I would budget at least 2k in the first year of ownership for having basic and preventative maintenance done if you can't do the work yourself. Does this truck have service records? Get the oil cooler lines done ASAP if you get the truck and get ready for a lot of fun.

As for a price premium for Black, I see Copley up in Boston selling collector quality beluga black trucks for a premium to other colors but I think it is small to non-existent for everyday "drivers".

I would say a good price to offer would be something like 23k. Given that the truck has been for sale for a few months, the dealer does not seem to flexible.
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Old February 7th, 2011, 05:13 PM
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Do you have pictures of this truck?
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Here you go. Leather interior, chrome A-bar (maybe aux lights) and chrome side steps. This pic shows it with the '94 tickford surrey top too.
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This is the actual truck though: http://www.defender90forsale.com/def...-in-stamf.html
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