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Old October 2nd, 2006, 11:50 AM
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Temptation has crept into my life. I am the proud owner of a '95 Arles Blue SW with 95K on the clock and have had her for a little over a year. I use her mainly for roadtrips to go camping, fishing, and biking here in Colorado with my wife and 2 dogs. Recently, my wife brought to my attention that she's getting a little sick of camping in a tent and would like to consider a teardrop camper trailer. I countered with a 110 customized with an upper sleeping rack in the back with storage underneath. Any issues I need to consider before I head down this path that I haven't considered? We drive up and over the mountain a lot so I am slightly concerned with the additional weight and lessening land speed over the passes.
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 01:06 PM
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Temptation has crept into my life. I am the proud owner of a '95 Arles Blue SW with 95K on the clock and have had her for a little over a year. I use her mainly for roadtrips to go camping, fishing, and biking here in Colorado with my wife and 2 dogs. Recently, my wife brought to my attention that she's getting a little sick of camping in a tent and would like to consider a teardrop camper trailer. I countered with a 110 customized with an upper sleeping rack in the back with storage underneath. Any issues I need to consider before I head down this path that I haven't considered? We drive up and over the mountain a lot so I am slightly concerned with the additional weight and lessening land speed over the passes.


If I was using the thing for camping, fishing, etc. I would probably just get one of those VW vans with the pop tops.
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 01:37 PM
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Absolutely

Absolutely correct. A Volkswagon Vanagon would definitely be the direction a smart, sensible, rational, non-Defender lovin' man would be going. I unfortunately am not that man.

It's about the whole experience. I took a lot of time setting up my 90 for our exact experiences and purpose. I could have easily took the Volvo wagon or minivan to these places but they would lack the very essence of the trip!
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 01:40 PM
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110 with a dormobile roof, or better yet the entire interior.
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 01:47 PM
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FWIW, my wife has never been excited about camping, but when I expressed the desire to get a roof top tent, above the bugs, and with the foam matress and pillows, it seemed to completely change the equation with her. You may try that approach first, as it is the lowest cost to what you propose.

Next argument I would suggest is to have your D90 converted to a 110, instead of selling and buying a new one. You could have the conversion include a dormobile type conversion if you can afford it with the poptop roof with upper bunks. The other option is to go with the 110 and install the dormobile reclining seats, so you can bunk inside. http://www.dormobile.co.uk/

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The mere thought of selling a defender for a VW hippy van made me throw up (I'm stilling dry heaving). You must go to mass right away and seek forgiveness.
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 01:48 PM
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Absolutely correct. A Volkswagon Vanagon would definitely be the direction a smart, sensible, rational, non-Defender lovin' man would be going. I unfortunately am not that man.
lol :-)

me neither!
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 01:48 PM
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Now we're talking

Saw a German website that offered all sorts of sleeper options for both 90s and 110s. Thought the pop out tent windows on the back of the defender would solve my problems or the new dormobile pop tops but alas, they don't ship to the states. I also usually have a very full roofrack with camping gear, bikes, wheels, and firewood.
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 01:49 PM
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Exclamation reading this may lead to smiles and no savings account

The gods want you to have a 110 - there is one posted in the For Sale area.
Go for it!

1994 NAS Defender 110 #204

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1994 NAS Defender 110 # 204 is now available. This truck is in very good condition with lots of recent preventative maintenance, repairs and improvements. Full description, sale information and pictures are available at www.whitemountainventures.net . Price is $42,900.00 Contact: Mike Boggs (540) 456- 6114 or email boggsone@ntelos.net
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 02:00 PM
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All good points

The rooftop tent is out due to the dogs. Wife wants them to sleep in the same place as us for "protection" and because they are our "children". Thought a dormobile top would work great but then storage becomes an issue. I never thought about a 90 to 110 conversion. What's the process involved in that? Sounds like quite a few new pieces/parts.

I saw the 110 listed in the sales section. Looks good but I've got some other vechiles to move out before I can pull the trigger including a '72 Series III 88", '95 BMW 325is, and my 90. How much are kidneys going for these days?
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 02:28 PM
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Get a m416 trailer and set it up for camping. You could put a rooftent on it and the dogs could sleep right underneath you.
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The 90 to 110 conversion is actually pretty easy as far as rover projects go.

110 frame, roof, rear body (110 regular is easier, but SW is not bad either), rear driveshaft (which is now a stock part for the rover rear 110s post 2003ish), solid rear brake line, rear wiring harness, rear spring perches, rear springs, 110/RRC fuel tank and pump, fuel lines, and that should do it.

A guy named Marty did his 90 to 110 conversion in a couple weeks IIRC. If I had all the parts I know I could do it in a week with a help to move the heavy bits. Getting all the money for all the parts is the challenge.
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 03:24 PM
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Hmmm

Anyone know the ballpark we're talking for a 90-110 conversion?
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 03:56 PM
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In parts:

Frame, new galvy: $2000-3000
Body (used): $1500-3500
Paint (ok quality): $1000
Other stuff: $1000-1500 or so.

Could be done much cheaper if you find an NAS 110 frame (check with ECR as they seem to go through them pretty quick). The rear doors (series style) are $300 a pop new from RDS. T-peices the same new, so if you find a cheap 110 SW rear tub you would be good to go as the side panels are the same as on a series SWB. RRC fuel tanks (same as NAS 110) are a dime a dozen but the cradle is 110 specific and expensive.

Labor I would guess at a minimum 5k, ECR or another comparable shop would be more I would guess.
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 04:38 PM
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A guy named Marty did his 90 to 110 conversion in a couple weeks IIRC.
Marty and Allison did it @ RN in right around a week -- travelswithrover.com discusses it. the truck is on it's way to be a HCPU last I talked to Marty.
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Old October 2nd, 2006, 04:41 PM
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They did a nice job. Couple things I would have done differently, and their body was painted to begin with but all and all quite well done and quickly.

I am sure with all the parts it could be done in a long weekend with you and your friends.
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Old October 3rd, 2006, 06:00 PM
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saw the 110 listed in the sales section. Looks good but I've got some other vechiles to move out before I can pull the trigger including a '72 Series III 88", '95 BMW 325is, and my 90. How much are kidneys going for these days?

I like the kidney comment. According to the TV show Nip/Tuck a kidney fetches about $200,000 - 250,000 a kidney. At that I could sell 1, buy a RR with driver and have someone else drive the D-90 through the mud.
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Old October 3rd, 2006, 10:07 PM
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Don't knock the VW Syncro ! Those things are sweet! Check out the video on that page...
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Old October 3rd, 2006, 11:29 PM
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Old October 3rd, 2006, 11:30 PM
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sweet! now thats a VW van! why did you show me that?? now I'm getting ideas!
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I don't care if there the greatest wheelers on the face of the Earth. There still for commie, pinko, dope-smoking, welfare receiving, draft dodging bedwetters.


Conservative Christian, right wing Republican, straight white American males
Gay-bashin', black fearin', poor fightin', tree killin', regional leaders of sales
Frat-housin', keg tappin', shirt tuckin', back slappin', haters of hippies like me...

Tree-hugging, peace-loving
Pot-smoking, porn-watching
Lazy-ass hippies like me.

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