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Old July 3rd, 2015, 01:23 PM
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08 RRS Burning oil and smoking like crazy

So, while I was up in NH during the week I get a phone call from the wife. Her RRS has picked up a bad habit and is smoking like crazy. Not overheated. She drove it back home, a couple miles, and it has been parked since.

I got home yesterday and replaced the PCV valve today (the internet said to), and she is still smoking like crazy. It's definitely oil that is burning. Oil is even dripping from the exhaust tips.

Checked for codes. It has the 2, 4, 6, and 8 cylinder misfires, random cylinder misfire, and misfire in the first 2000 RPM.

I can't see anything else that is common for the port bank.

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2008 Range Rover Sport with 4.4L gas engine.
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Old July 3rd, 2015, 01:32 PM
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Dripping from the exhaust????!!!!!???!!!!

That's crazy.
Obviously your oil levels a little lower than it was.

Wondering about the compression though. Wondering if the head has gone bad.
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Old July 3rd, 2015, 01:35 PM
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Yep, oil level was lower than normal. I brought it back into spec before troubleshooting. I was thinking head, but how would that effect all four cylinders at once? I could see one, or maybe two if the gasket was blown between two cylinders, but all four?
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I could see one, or maybe two if the gasket was blown between two cylinders, but all four?
2-4-6-8 failure at any rate! It's a British vehicle. Any type of failure is possible.
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Old July 3rd, 2015, 01:45 PM
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I don't know. But would encourage you to make sure all the PVC tubing is clear of obstructions aka oily goop. Then move onto the EGR system.
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Old July 3rd, 2015, 04:30 PM
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I have read a lot of posts about the EGR system causing it. But how would it do that?
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Old July 3rd, 2015, 06:04 PM
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Ruled out the EGR. Made a block off plate and she still smoked.
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Just to throw out another thought. My RRS started smoking and losing power and acting totally weird one spring. Turned out squirrels had made a nest and had eaten through a bunch of wires. Don't recall off hand to what but something to just check. But if you've looked through everything you're probably good.
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Old July 3rd, 2015, 08:40 PM
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No birds nests or other evidence of animals.

I pulled the spark plugs, #1 and #6 had oil on them. #1 was pretty minor, #6 was soaked. I pulled them all and turned over the motor for a bit to blow anything out. Installed a new set of plugs and cleared the codes.

Started her back up. Idled great. Once I started accelerating the smoke show started again. Strangely, no codes are even showing up as pending now.

If I can't figure it out, I'll be borrowing my buddies truck and trailer and towing her down to Jamestown.
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Replace the PCV valve on the passenger side valve cover. It is super easy to do. You will probably need to replace your spark plugs. I would try to run it and burn up the oil before you replace the spark plugs so you don't foul the new ones.
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Replace the PCV valve on the passenger side valve cover. It is super easy to do. You will probably need to replace your spark plugs. I would try to run it and burn up the oil before you replace the spark plugs so you don't foul the new ones.
Replaced the PCV valve yesterday along with the plugs. Cleaned out the PCV hose as well.

Going to pull the throttle body today just to check for pooled oil or something I can clean out.
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You'll probably have some light smoke for a while, I would just drive it hard until it stops.
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Busy day. Pulled the throttle body and found a oil reserve that puts the Saudi's to shame.

Got the intake off so that I could completely clean it.

Now, I have two questions:

1. How do I tell if the old PCV Valve was bad? Both the new one and the oil one do not appear to restrict air flow in either direction.

2. How do I test the EGR valve? I pulled it and the plunger is present and does not look bad, but I can move it easily with a screwdriver. Should I not be able to?
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I've never hear of an EGR valve causing oil consumption issues on these. There should be a noticeable difference in smoke with the new PCV valve after cleaning out the intake.
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Some Pcv valves rattle when clean others don't. If you can't get a replacement use brake cleaner to free up the oily goop.
Is there an oil catch can in the Pcv system?
Been through similar scenario with wife's Volvo. the PCV system inc oil catch/aggregator was totally blocked causing oil to get to the inlet side of the engine
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FIXED!

Pulled the intake and cleaned it all out.

Put her all back together and she is running like a swiss tank

Still don't know how the PCV valve works on these jobs, but the old one must have been bad. I guess I am just used to the old check valve type.
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