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Old May 30th, 2013, 06:39 PM
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A Good Dilemma to Have...

So you want to build a NAS110 from a NAS 90.

You have 2 D90s:

1. 1997 SW, 90k miles, immaculate interior, auto tranny, rust free, strong motor, AC. SALVAGE TITLE.

2. 1994 ST, 110k miles, LT77, missing the NAS roll cage components, pretty clean, nice, rust free truck. CLEAN TITLE

Which one do you use? Will the salvage title truly affect the value of a converted 90 to 110? Does it matter when it comes to resale? My intent isn't to sell the 110, but just in case. I also don't like the hassle of registering a "salvage" title truck as it was already a PITA here in VA, in addition to trying to get agreed value insurance on a "salvage" titled, converted truck.

If I use the salvage SW to convert, those leftover SW parts will go on to the ST to convert it to a 94SW.

As for drivetrain, I kinda like the idea of the newer 4.0 (converted to 4.6) coupled with the auto - let's not debate the merits of auto vs manual trannys please, and I like the idea of ODBII.

The 110 I am having built will essentially be a NAS110 clone on a galvy frame with lots of offroad upgrades.

My primary idea is to build a mismash of trucks - use the 94ST with clean title as the primary donor, but use the drivetrain and interior from the 97SW to build the 110.

And no, that is NOT my garage the SW is parked in, but I wish it was.

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Old May 30th, 2013, 07:20 PM
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I'd use the salvage title as the conversion donor. Already diminished value due to salvage, and insuring a rebuild at stated value not an issue with work/parts invoices to support stated value. Assuming you are going with a new chassis and tub/pillars etc... the process of re-registering a rebuilt truck shouldn't be too big a hurdle.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 07:34 PM
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Why trash two NAS trucks to make one NAS clone? The NAS SW looks great already, fix it and and drive it. You could sell off a lot of the ST stuff: Tire carrier, tub, doors and etc to help fund the build.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 07:52 PM
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Why trash two NAS trucks to make one NAS clone? The NAS SW looks great already, fix it and and drive it. You could sell off a lot of the ST stuff: Tire carrier, tub, doors and etc to help fund the build.
The SW has a tweaked frame, mismatched paint, and a few other remaining issues from the salvage repairs 10 years ago. It looks good to the untrained eye, but it's not a keeper. The plus is that it's an excellent drivetrain and interior/dash donor.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 07:59 PM
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I'd definitely go with the tweaked-frame-salvage truck. You're going to be putting a new frame in it anyways, and when you see a 90-to-110 conversion a clean title doesn't seem as important.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 08:01 PM
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So in other words, what's wrong with the 97 is mostly the parts you plan to replace. What's right with it are mostly the parts you want to keep. The value is already diminished due to the salvage title so the rebuild wont make it worse, etc.

What's your question again?
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Old May 30th, 2013, 08:06 PM
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Since the 1994 has a clean NAS title I would convert that to a SW and move it along.

The 1997 has a tweaked frame, the OBDII, auto, and is going to be a mismatch/bastard setup anyway so might as well have the salvage title.

What are you doing with the other 110?
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All excellent points guys, thanks. I guess my main concern was would the salvage title really affect value, but a conversion kinda negates that. The plus side is that I would end up with a clean title 94SW in the end.

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What are you doing with the other 110?
It has moved on to greener pastures.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 08:22 PM
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I would sell the salvage SW as is and use the chop top ST as the donor. Pre OBD II so better for diesel conversion and the 14CUX is better than GEMs and the tub already has some damage I understand.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 08:38 PM
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I think he is wanting 2 rovers at the end of it all.

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Old May 30th, 2013, 08:40 PM
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Or trade off the 97 for a clean title truck?
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Or trade off the 97 for a clean title truck?
The problem is that a similar truck with similar miles and condition would be $10k more. I've got $33k in the SW. It's literally rust free, pristine, with the exception of its sordid past and tweaked front frame horn.

A cheaper truck would come with more miles, and likely more issues to address in the long run.
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I would sell the salvage SW as is and use the chop top ST as the donor. Pre OBD II so better for diesel conversion and the 14CUX is better than GEMs and the tub already has some damage I understand.
I'd agree going with the OBD I/14CUX setup but he said he wanted a 4.0 punched to 4.6 and OBD II. I would think he could use the same wiring harness as well from the 1997. I think it's a real cool sounding project - saving a NAS 90 and making a 110 that would most likely have a 6 digit price tag if it was done in a certain part of ME.

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It has moved on to greener pastures.
Cool - hope it went to a good home. That was a really nice rig.
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The problem is that a similar truck with similar miles and condition would be $10k more. I've got $33k in the SW. It's literally rust free, pristine, with the exception of its sordid past and tweaked front frame horn.

A cheaper truck would come with more miles, and likely more issues to address in the long run.
Hmm, you are correct. Mine (clean title yet more miles) is CASUALLY for sale and my starting price is more than you state you have in your '97 (and it has much more than a stock Defender installed). Besides mine is not pristine but a great driver (DD and drive to the trail, run it, and drive home) quality truck. Selling as I have something a bit more interesting - for me - inbound.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 10:28 PM
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If the frame on the 97 is tweaked, you have your answer.
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If the frame on the 97 is tweaked, you have your answer.
x2, purely because it needs frame work, but at the same time I'm torn. Usually, I'd say that if you're going to spend a ton of money on a conversion you want to start with the cleanest title and lowest miles, as those are the two things that usually matter most when it comes time to sell. And you/I/we all know it will be for sale at some point. It'll never be a NAS110, but will be a NAS90 with a 110 frame and 5 doors. When it comes time to sell, that's already enough to explain, but to then explain that it was built on a salvaged truck is even harder to explain.

Also, how in the Hell do you have $33k into a salvaged D90 with nearly 100k miles?

My final answer: build the 110 based on the 1997 D90, and just keep the 1994 as is or build a ST/SW cage for it and be done with it. Even with a shitty ST cage (not that you'd build a shitty ST cage, but just saying non-NAS ST cage) that is built to close-enough spec to be able to hold a NAS canvas soft top, it'll already be worth more than what you paid for it. When it comes time to sell it you can market it as a ST and then sell off the SW top (or market it as both). So, 1997 = 110. 1994 = keep as is and/or build a cage on it.
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When the hell did you get the '94??
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When the hell did you get the '94??
you missed the '94, and I apparently missed the '97. The '94 was the mountainviewrover truck.
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So, who's garage is it? Serious envy.
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you missed the '94, and I apparently missed the '97. The '94 was the mountainviewrover truck.
Ahhh...ok, the truck that hit the bridge. Had no idea Jonathan snapped that up!
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