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Old February 15th, 2008, 10:31 PM
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WTB Roll Cage Parts for a SW to ST swap

I have a guy that has asked me to help locate the roll cage parts needed to swap a POE Defender over to a ST.

If anyone has anything the guy needs please let me know. I assume it is just the rear hoop and the bar that goes between the center hoop and the rear hoop.

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Old February 16th, 2008, 03:50 PM
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Supposedly Urban Offroad is producing a cage. Sans padding, I assume. But if their SD-style roof rack is an indicator of what it will be like, I'm sure that the cage will be NAS in every other aspect.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 12:42 AM
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Stephen,

I have the horozontals that go between the C & B pillars if your interested.

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Old February 18th, 2008, 07:05 AM
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Didn't think the POE had a center hoop. If it has one it is totaly different from the ST and the front section would be different.

If it has no center section then the front part is ST and you need the center, horizontal and rear section as well as all the crap to mount it in a worth while fashion.

anyhow, I have the posts that go in the rear corners and tie into the crossmember if thats any help. I have just sold all the other roll cage parts I had.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 11:29 AM
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matt you are correct there is no b pillar in a poe.
The horizontals bolt right to the roof.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 01:43 PM
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You need the B-pillar, C-pillar, the cant rails, diagonal pieces and the rear hoop. Odds are I am one of two people who have done this.

You can just get the b-pillar and the diagonal pieces with the roll cage end caps but you would be limited to a fastback top or a bimini (or a badger PU cab top).

You are looking at serious $$$$ for the B-pillar. Also, keep in mind 94 and 95/97 are different in how the diagonal pieces go. I am not sure if the B-pillar is the same or not, but I would try to find one off a 94 if possible.

On the plus side, the front of the cage is the same as a ST. The SW front cage mounts an inch higher. The poe top and associated little stubby pieces should fetch enough to buy the cage with a few dollars left over for a used full softtop.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 02:54 PM
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Is this right? What are the other pieces called?

Thanks
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Old February 18th, 2008, 03:43 PM
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Bravo Ade. I always get confused when these guys start talking cage parts
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Old February 19th, 2008, 06:52 AM
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Odds are I am one of two people who have done this. .
Ron...you know there is a whole big world outside PA .......

I've converted a few both SW to ST and ST to SW and at this point tell customers to go find a truck that has the roof they want 'cause it costs ridiculous $$ to switch. Sold all the parts off and hopefully done with "musical tops".
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Old February 19th, 2008, 06:55 AM
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Someone fill in the blanks on Ade's diagram please. Regardless of swapping tops or not, this would be a good bit of knowledge to squirrel away.

BTW, is the B pillar equivalent on a SW as hard to come by as the ST?

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Old February 19th, 2008, 09:23 AM
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This is basically correct, I dont know the parts manual names for the underbody stuff, but its close enough.

The header bar that goes above the windshield is missing, and I had to draw in the alpine bar.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 09:26 AM
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Old February 19th, 2008, 09:28 AM
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I wonder why my 94 doesn't have the longitudinal bar..
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I wonder why my 94 doesn't have the longitudinal bar..
I heard at some point that the longitudinal bar was installed on the 94's that came as fastback's... basically adding extra support since there are no cantrails or c-piller ... I have a fastback and have the lognitudinal bar.. but at the same time, I do know of full cages that have the longitudinal bar as well.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 09:47 AM
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Sorry, not all 94's have that longitudinal bar (Yeastie is a late one, 1729, and has no such bar) - but no 95's have it.
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"I've converted a few both SW to ST and ST to SW and at this point tell customers to go find a truck that has the roof they want 'cause it costs ridiculous $$ to switch. Sold all the parts off and hopefully done with "musical tops"."

Yes, but he is asking about POE, not SW. Lots of SWs been converted, but out of 40 POEs . . . .

Follow-up Post:

It is important because on a SW you should replace the front part of the cage as well, and I am not sure what the underside of the cage looks like. On a POE it started out as a ST and for $2000+ more as an option, they took away the ST cage and gave you the aluminiun hardtop.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 12:15 PM
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I have the longitudinal bars if anyone needs them.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 06:21 AM
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" Yes, but he is asking about POE, not SW. Lots of SWs been converted, but out of 40 POEs . . . ..
OK then....I stand corrected, and yes Ron....due to technical difficulties....you are one of a pair
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Old February 20th, 2008, 09:10 AM
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My understanding was that only the earliest '94s had the longtitudinal bars -- apparently they were included as a securing mechanism for jump seats and/or seat belts when they first thought that the DOT would allow them in STs. Which they didn't. So they were deleted. Mine has them and the only purpose they have is to disallow me from using Troy's boxes.
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Stephen- I have a complete s/t cage give me a call. Dale
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