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Old August 9th, 2014, 09:31 PM
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Something like the rear bench ECR did for this 90 sounds like what you should see if little passengers can create:

http://www.eastcoastrover.com/227.html
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Old August 9th, 2014, 09:37 PM
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Im not disagreeing and I definitely don't know the physics behind it, but I thought Volvo and some other manufacturers still have rear facing seats in the cargo area, and all kids are required to be in rear facing child seats till age two. Just FYI.
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Old August 9th, 2014, 10:02 PM
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Well it seems crazy to me but if you look at the pictures on the little
Passengers site, while they make benches that look just like that ECR bench, they are all either rear facing or shockingly side facing
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Old August 9th, 2014, 10:40 PM
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I could see the possible reasoning behind that... If you think about a front impact with children in a rearward facing seat.. There is no restraint of the child by the seat belt so the seat itself would have to resist the inertia of the child to go forward... While a seat frame may be able to do this with the lighter mass of a child I doubt it could with an adult..the seat belt of a rearward facing seat would only come into effect in the event of someone ploughing into you from the rear... As far as sideways facing seats I guess they would be more useful in a side impact collision than any other style..) I believe the reasoning behind the young baby being placed backwards is the same.. While their neck muscles etc haven't formed completely enough to resist the snapping forward reaction on an impact if they are the other way the body is just forced further into the baby seat... And the over the shoulder harnesses in baby seats place the forces on the shoulders preventing the baby from flying up and out...

------ Follow up post added August 9th, 2014 10:41 PM ------

And I like the ECR modification to the bench seats.. That's a nice one...and definitely something I would do..
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Old August 9th, 2014, 10:47 PM
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Current safety standards are fairly strict and the new tesla still allows for rear facing seats:
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Old August 9th, 2014, 10:56 PM
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4 point harnesses now and the additional back support of the seats in front of/behind them...and no fuel tank under them to explode...
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Old August 9th, 2014, 11:12 PM
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Yeah, I'm no physicist but I can at least follow the rationale on the rear facing seats. I do get a little concerned by a company which is selling side facing seats where the kids head is right next to the back window. However, I'm going to talk to them about building a solid front facing bench for the boys
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Old August 9th, 2014, 11:37 PM
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Any thoughts about where the feet should or should not go?
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Old August 10th, 2014, 12:45 AM
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I would think the safest setup to have for the rear seats in a 90/110 3dr would be a rear facing bench with head rests and the seatbelts attached to frame and cage. It is mostly in the center of the vehicle so there will be more "car" on every side for protection.

Using Rovershop's example of a head on collision and especially without airbags wouldn't you want to hit back first? If someone pushed me into a wall I would rather go back first not front/chest first.

I had the Exmoor forward facing fold ups. There were 4 bolts that held each side so not bad (actually a lot less holes than the inward facing seats). I think there are 2 styles and the ones I had you didn't have to cut the tub. What I liked about the fold ups was that one side could be folded down to make getting in and out easier than a bench. Having the kids go in and out of the back door is a lot easier than having them walk all over the front seats and center consule/Tuffy.

Also - when you had to haul something the seats would fold up out of the way. When I had the bench it seemed I had to take it out a lot to have the space in the back. And when I needed to pick up a kid or 2 it was sitting on the garage floor.

For seatbelts - the fold up can use the same location as the stock bench so they were tied to 3 strong points. The stock bench was nice with it's lower height but it doesn't have head rests. The Exmoor folding ones have taller backs that are close to being a head rest depending on passenger height. I was going to go rearward facing bench but the seatbelt placement was going to be a chore.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 08:03 AM
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I ask because I have installed them and the three point seat belts, I'm not impressed. I'd strongly suggest making a point of seeing a set installed before splashing out the funds, but hey its your money, do with it as you will.
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Old August 10th, 2014, 08:45 AM
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I ask because I have installed them and the three point seat belts, I'm not impressed. I'd strongly suggest making a point of seeing a set installed before splashing out the funds, but hey its your money, do with it as you will.
Doug, what's your gut, are they flimsy/cheap/unsafe or something else?
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