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Old July 13th, 2011, 09:41 AM
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I'm also very interested in the diesel engines
The NAS (North American Series) defenders that you are mentioning never came with diesel engines. They came with V8's. Therefore, the only way you'll find a diesel NAS is if someone else did some kind of engine swap. If you don't mind getting a non-US spec truck, then you will find that there are NA diesel, 200tdi, 300tdi and TD5 trucks to be had and sometimes at a good price.

I personally love my 200tdi. It's grand

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Are the '80s models out there still reliable?
I have an 80's model, an 1985 RHD to be precise. Lots of mechanical parts have been replaced over the years as they have worn out. I personally find this a good thing, as everything mechanical always wears out and I trust newer parts over older ones. Therefore, age really has nothing to do with reliability on the older rovers, what matters is what has been replaced and when. If you find a truck with an original 2.25 petrol, transmission and transfer case, consider how much abuse it's had over its life. The worst is when the truck has been sitting for ages in some forest somewhere (which seems to be common with these trucks) and has not been driven around or maintained. Things that you can't see will rust and it gets expensive when those things fail.

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Where would you start as a first time Defender owner?
I started by accompanying fellow rover owners for off-road trips and learning as much I could about defenders until I found the truck that I wanted to buy. It took me 1 year exactly to find my truck! Also just take a look at a few. I learned a lot from just one day under one of evilfij's trucks, lol.
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Old July 13th, 2011, 12:13 PM
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Did the seller tell you why he took the external cage off?
He didn't say why, but says he has it with bolts ready to be bolted back on. I'm assuming that was just an aesthetic preference...
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Old July 13th, 2011, 07:02 PM
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1. i'm going to try to put a bench seat in the back for the kids' car seats. i've seen some great posts on this an wonder if anyone has installed a bench seat and kept two jump seats behind?
If you did this, the only place it might work is to have the jump seats in front. The bench seat sits pretty far back. When I get home I can take some measurements and tell you if it would work but I think it would look rather goofy.
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3. what goes wrong around 100k miles?
Everything that hasn't

No seriously, it doesn't depend on mileage but what's already been done and maintenance history. Ask what's been fixed/upgraded already and get more pictures of the engine bay and undercarriage.
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4. if you had $1k for upgrades/modifications... what would you do?
Nothing other than oil cooler lines if they have not been done already. Drive it for a few months and see how you like it, and it likes you. You'll likely need it for repairs and if not, by then you'll have a better idea of what you really need.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 04:23 PM
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The owner just posted some more pictures of the undercarriage. Maybe a little oil at the differential, but otherwise hard to see any rust with all that dust/dirt.

Transmission, clutch and water pump are the only "recent" repairs. What happens to the oil cooler lines? It seems like a lot of people go to replacing parts with stainless... is that just an upgrade or managing the typical deterioration of a vehicle or a problem specific to Rovers?
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Old July 14th, 2011, 04:35 PM
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The rubber perishes over time due to close proximty to the exhaust manifolds. When they go they can spray oil and thus catching fire.
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Great points, sonoronos, about the vintage of a vehicle and the age of its parts. I've seen some great 80's models with TDI engines in great shape. Recently I started leaning towards the gas NAS models, mostly based on the condition of the interiors and the right combination of features (other than diesel). I still dream of a bio-diesel ride, though, and haven't given up the search. I have a feeling this won't be my first Defender...
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Old July 14th, 2011, 04:43 PM
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What happens to the oil cooler lines? It seems like a lot of people go to replacing parts with stainless... is that just an upgrade
Nothing crazy, but it can get a little too hot sometimes if you don't change out your oil cooler lines.

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I have a feeling this won't be my first Defender...
now I'm confused.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 04:50 PM
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The rubber perishes over time due to close proximty to the exhaust manifolds. When they go they can spray oil and thus catching fire.
Wow. Is there anything special to be done in the replacement job?

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Old July 14th, 2011, 04:55 PM
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Wow. Is there anything special to be done in the replacement job?

search oil line fire - you'll find very useful information, kits available, pictures, installs, DIY kits, etc. all for varying prices.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 05:45 PM
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i have been thinking about getting a 110 and might be interested in selling my car/trailer its a 95 with rear bench in southern California - email me for details jjstahl3 (at) g mail (dot) com
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Old July 17th, 2011, 02:40 AM
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That oil line fire stuff is crazy. Thanks for that... I think.

Another random question. Is there anyway to remove a snorkel? Or is there some irreversible drilling/exhaust work?
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