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Old February 11th, 2015, 09:37 AM
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Old February 11th, 2015, 09:46 AM
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I'd like to find someone who is passionate about Land Rover who is maybe looking to change careers and give this a shot. ...hopefully someone who is passionate about Rovers and is looking for a change will answer this ad.


Wish that could be me, but like most folks that have an established life with roots/responsibilities, it's hard to be impulsive like that.


Now that we've hijacked your thread (only because it's pretty apparent that it's slim pickins out there anyway), this reminds me of an interesting article I read a few years back:
https://gselevator.wordpress.com/201...r-philosopher/

It's worth the read.


As an example, I grew up in a very blue-collar trades environment and hated working in the trades when I was younger. Installing 12x14 steel overhead garage doors in new industrial buildings in the middle of winter with no heat when the freezing cold wrench your holding sucks what little heat you have in your hand and you're slipping off staging because there's ice built up on the scaffolding. Waking up with you back hurting every morning from lumping materials up a jobsite that had no access (and that's when I was 17-20!).


Fast forward 10 years and I'm sitting behind a desk at 8:00am dealing with douchbag entitled bankers and aggressive real estate investors/developers all day long......by now I wish I had that frozen iron-workers wrench in my hand again! I consider working on my truck (or anything mechanical or building) a treat now. Even though I still bitch and curse the whole way through the job, I still love working with my hands.


The problem is that (and read the article and you'll get what I'm saying here) is that my lifestyle that build itself up around me won't allow any type of change.


I have more respect for quality tradesmen of all types these days than ever before. It's hard to stay in business while caring about your work (not trying to "beat the book" all the time), still paying for quality healthcare, proper tools, AND having money leftover. That said, I have never before in my life noticed more incompetent people masquerading as tradesman (in whatever field you pick). We can blame the vacuum created by quality people leaving the trades allowing this to happen.


If there is any justice and equality in this world there will come a time when a true craftsman in their trade will earn as much as a good attorney, doctor or other white collar professional. Yes, I know there are examples of that now, just that it isn't the norm and it needs to be attract the next generation.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 10:52 AM
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Well stated, Jackie.
Here is another good read: http://www.npr.org/2015/02/02/383335...eers-in-trades
I don’t see the upside of being saddled with serious debt (parent or student) for many of these undergrad educations. Lending is so plentiful today that you read about these kids, for example, that graduate from NYU with a BA degree in drama/theater and >> $220,000 of debt. Debt that is not forgiven. Debt that the graduate and family statistically cannot pay off and is a burden that impacts their lives. The system is broken in my opinion.

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Old February 11th, 2015, 11:10 AM
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so far, the best person i've had employed is a friend of mine who tunes pianos for a living. His business was slow, so he worked for me temporarily until things picked back up for him.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 12:17 PM
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Give someone that only works on Defenders an LR4 with an intermittent medium speed CAN bus fault, and his head will explode.
Right, but thats not what Rob (and others) are looking for is it? I could do both... granted I will admit that I was much better at moving stuff through the shop quickly than I was at managing a long term project.

Sometimes I do miss those days... but then I realize WTF am I thinking!
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Old February 11th, 2015, 12:34 PM
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Jimmie you mean something like this can bus fault on a lr4
I have that same pic on my phone, haha.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 12:41 PM
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To be completely accurate, I need to make clear that SWR Automotive is full service LR shop and we do more than just Defenders. We work on a lot of Defenders, but also all other LR products except Freelanders. Whoever I hire will be working on many Defender projects, but also other projects as well as day-to-day service and repair of other LR products.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 12:51 PM
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Rob, sorry for contributing to derailing your thread!
Keith went to work for Dimmit, maybe near Clearwater?
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Old February 11th, 2015, 02:19 PM
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No worries on the derails. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one suffering a shortage of qualified help.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 06:03 PM
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...but also all other LR productsexcept Freelanders.
That would actually be one of my biggest concerns with working for an independent shop. I can't stand people that own Freelanders. I don't have a problem working on them, its just the owners that suck.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 06:07 PM
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That would actually be one of my biggest concerns with working for an independent shop. I can't stand people that own Freelanders. I don't have a problem working on them, its just the owners that suck.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 06:08 PM
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Old February 11th, 2015, 06:23 PM
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Yeah, LR2s aren't so bad, but I've had a bad time with Freelanders. I won't take them in the shop. Too much low grade complexity, as one of my customers so eloquently put it. They're like P38s for people with no money for maintenance.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 06:56 PM
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Yeah, LR2s aren't so bad, but I've had a bad time with Freelanders. I won't take them in the shop. Too much low grade complexity, as one of my customers so eloquently put it. They're like P38s for people with no money for maintenance.
Now that you mention that, as frequently as I am in the shop I've never noticed the absence of them.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 08:08 PM
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Yeah, LR2s aren't so bad, but I've had a bad time with Freelanders. I won't take them in the shop. Too much low grade complexity, as one of my customers so eloquently put it. They're like P38s for people with no money for maintenance.
LR2's are the most reliable Land Rover!
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Old February 11th, 2015, 08:14 PM
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LR2's are the most reliable Land Rover!
My coworker who has one has had a lot of issues. Of course, most reliable Land Rover is like saying most sober frat boy.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 08:44 PM
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My coworker who has one has had a lot of issues. Of course, most reliable Land Rover is like saying most sober frat boy.
Just curious, but what? All cars have problems, and now that I'm working at a big dealer, I really see a vast array of problems on all the models that I never saw in Virginia. Compared to the other models, the LR2's a only a few common problems, such as the rear diff pinion bearings.
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Have any of you had luck or considered connecting with a technical school? I met a kid a few years ago that loved vehicle restoration. He went to technical school part time in HS and then on to a college in Kansas ( can't remember the name right now) that offered a degree in vehicle restorations. When graduated he came home to NOVA and got a job with an independent shop out in Upperville Va. My understanding is he was a great value add. Today I believe he's moved on and working for Audi/Porsche in the DC area.

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Old February 13th, 2015, 01:49 PM
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We had a few guys out of tech school in Richmond, but none of them lasted long, and they all pretty much sucked. My friends that went to tech school suck at fixing cars too. Its probably great if you want to work at a Firestone or other chain store. I got into the LR dealership in Richmond by starting at the bottom washing cars in 2007. Drew did the same thing in 1994.
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We had a few guys out of tech school in Richmond, but none of them lasted long, and they all pretty much sucked. My friends that went to tech school suck at fixing cars too. Its probably great if you want to work at a Firestone or other chain store. I got into the LR dealership in Richmond by starting at the bottom washing cars in 2007. Drew did the same thing in 1994.
That's discouraging to hear. Does LR Richmond provide continuing professional education and/or apprenticeship program? It's funny, the kids coming out of law school aren't really worth a shit either (from a business perspective) until they've been mentored for a few years and shown the ropes.
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