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Old February 11th, 2009, 05:29 PM
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Looking for a mechanic to help me diagnose the problem I am having.
I am in Westminster, MD. If anyone is looking for some work on the side. Or know someone.
I am having engine issues. And I am in well over my head in trying to diagnose this. Rough running, fuel smell in the oil, misfire in multiple cylinders(Check engine light), compression is even in all cylinders. No visible oil leaks. ????
It's a 97 w/the 4.0 any help or direction is greatly appreciated. I would love to work on it myself or at least help. But like I said I'm in over my head on this.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 06:03 PM
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Start with the basics:
Check the spark on all cylinders. Some of the coils in the coil pack may have gone tits up.
Could be lots of things, but if you flood the engine with fuel and there is no spark to burn it off the unburnt fuel ends up in the base (fuel in the oil smell).
Cruddy plugs, bad plug wires and incorrect firing order are all simple things to look at.

You need to confirm that you have compression (you did that), fuel (seems like you have that if you are smelling it), air (make sure there is nothing blocking the air flow) and spark.

To me it sounds like you have a spark problem (guess from what you said above).

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Old February 11th, 2009, 06:15 PM
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Any CEL codes? Does the CEL come on and then go off at start up (if not your ECU is probably wet and/or fried). Try Trevor at roverlab.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 06:24 PM
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Any CEL codes? Does the CEL come on and then go off at start up (if not your ECU is probably wet and/or fried). Try Trevor at roverlab.

He said the CEL is on with mis-fire codes.

Why does everyone run to the ECU as being the issue in these trucks. In most cases they aren't. In over 15 years of doing this I've only had to replace a couple ECUs, and those were from U-boat commanders.
Is it that people don't understand the ECU so they point the blame there?

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Does the CEL come on and then go off at start up (if not your ECU is probably wet and/or fried).

Yeah, that or the bulb burnt out...

Don't point the poor guy towards one of the most costly parts yet.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 06:36 PM
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Sorry, read too quickly. I R Ijit. I could have told him valve job :-)

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"misfire in multiple cylinders(Check engine light)"

Ok, what are the exact codes.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 06:39 PM
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I just replaced a cracked exhaust manifold. changed plugs the plugs were wet with ?? Oil/ Fuel???
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Old February 11th, 2009, 06:53 PM
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All eight plugs? Which plugs were wet? As mike said, are the plug wires going to the right plugs? I assume you removed the plugs to do the manifold?
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Old February 11th, 2009, 07:06 PM
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wires are to the right plugs. no I did the manifold with the plugs in. why would I need to remove them?
not all 8 were wet only 2 when I put the new plugs in it was better I have not checked in the last few days. it will be the weekend before I can get to it.
I work at a high school and I have the possibility of using the Vo-tech to do all the work I just supply parts. I still have not decided if that would be the best idea.

code was P1316
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Old February 11th, 2009, 07:13 PM
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Two wet, eh.

I would remove the plug wires to do the manifold, hence the chance of reinstalling wrong as Mike mentioned.

Is the oil overfull from the engine flooding?
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Old February 11th, 2009, 07:18 PM
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I just changed the oil it was a bit overfull.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 07:40 PM
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The only reason I mention it is that my first D90 the injectors would stick open and flood it. It ran ok, until the flooding got so bad that it overfilled the sump and it started to miss. This was not a GEMS truck it was 14CUX though.

YMMV

I would still see if there is evidence of water in the computer (even though mike does not like that idea) it is an easy thing to check.

There are a limited number of things that can cause this, I would start with the easy and work my way up. Does it run better with the MAF unplugged (I am sure mike loves this trick too )?

When I have more time I will write the redneck's guide to LR diagnostics.
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Old February 11th, 2009, 07:50 PM
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I will check that tomorrow.
I runs better warm if that makes any sense. I may see if one of the mechanics from the local sealership want some side work but with the nice weather lately I was hoping to learn may way around the rover better.
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Old February 12th, 2009, 10:04 PM
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Rover did not like me un-plugging the MAF. Did not even want to start. Ran at really high idle. What does that tell you?
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Old February 13th, 2009, 03:36 PM
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Track down Gary Landis. I don't have his contact info handy but do a search. He's in the Ellicot City area.
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Old February 13th, 2009, 03:44 PM
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"Rover did not like me un-plugging the MAF. Did not even want to start. Ran at really high idle. What does that tell you?"

It should settle down to normal after a minute or so. How long did you let it run?

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Old February 13th, 2009, 08:48 PM
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Gary Landes is your man. 410-737-0647. He set up the Rover lunch that I met you at in June. You might of met him that day.

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Old February 13th, 2009, 09:58 PM
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thank you, I will be calling him.
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Old February 28th, 2009, 11:25 PM
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New Magnacore wires seamed to have done the trick to this point. she is running great right now. thanks for all the help D-90
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My dealings Gary were not as pleasant. I only say this after giving him over a year to rectify the situation, which he said he would.
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FYI there is Treasured Motorcars in Reisterstown- that's my parents shop- and I'm Roverlab near Hershey.
Both of us have Autologic for diagnosis, which gives great dynamic readings of the array of sensors.
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