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Old October 11th, 2007, 12:50 PM
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Middle doors for a 109/110

Considering buying Ron's 110 (Janey) and wanted to see what's available for middle doors. I think it needs complete doors (but maybe just solid frames/skin).

Can you get half doors for the middles like a d90 fronts?

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Old October 11th, 2007, 01:44 PM
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Aren't series rear door tops removable?
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Old October 11th, 2007, 02:11 PM
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I think so but I'm not sure if they are a direct fit, nor about availability. I saw a post on here once where someone has a 109 with them. But I know ECR had to make their own for the beach runner(s).
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Old October 11th, 2007, 02:14 PM
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The middle doors for a series do not allow for seperation of the tops and bottoms. I have used Series middle doors, need a rebuild.

Have a set of 110 take off roll up middle doors arriving next week from the UK. Not sure of the color until they arrive.
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You want a set of 109 middle doors. RDS had them for $300 a pop last time I checked.

Skins and frames are all that a complete door comes with.

Janey had early 110 style doors which are the same as 109 doors. Some early 110 doors had removable tops for the middle doors too but they are pretty rare.

Newer 110 middle doors would work, but they are expenseive and would look out of place unless you put on 110 or D-90 SW front doors too. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Old October 11th, 2007, 04:16 PM
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So is the interior trim good on the ones it has now Ron?
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Old October 11th, 2007, 04:30 PM
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Newer 110 middle doors would work, but they are expenseive and would look out of place unless you put on 110 or D-90 SW front doors too. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Ron
I agree except that I don't think there is a huge disparity in price btw the two. Although the door handle on the 110 prevents the collection of water in the little pocket, I think the pocketed series doors look better. As for price, I was able to get two brand new ones from RDS for a fair price. I would look for the series doors though as I like the look better. George usually has a line on anything you could want...give him a call.
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"So is the interior trim good on the ones it has now Ron?"

No trim on them (or the fronts).

Series doors had masonite wrapped in black vinyl as trim. It is fairly cheap or easy to replicate.
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Old October 11th, 2007, 05:12 PM
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Thanks Ron.

Andrew, I think the price differential is due to needing to replace the front doors as well to match. I talked to George earlier and he must have been quoting me for 2 doors because iirc he wanted $600. But wanted to see what options are out there and also inquire about the 2 piece doors.
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The last set of used middle 110 doors (with roll up windows) sold for $1800 with trim and whatnot.

New middle 109 doors are $300 each.
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LOL. Ok point taken on the price differential
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The last set of used middle 110 doors (with roll up windows) sold for $1800 with trim and whatnot.

New middle 109 doors are $300 each.
Really? Hmmm, I know I didn't pay that much, but maybe I got in on the tail end of sales before the price skyrocketed...

I couldn't tell you other than that I didn't pay much more than that including shipping for both new doors, a new bulkhead, a practically new take-off seat box, and two new B/C pillars!
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You got a really good deal then.

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Old October 12th, 2007, 03:48 AM
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I want to go on record as being perfectly clear that removable aluminum door tops and corresponding bottoms exist for 110's. Janey would originally have been equipped with these doors. I have seen the parts and the complete doors for sale numerous times on ebay UK. They obviously aren't small and EZ to ship, but they are never expensive. The early 110's were the only vehicles equipped with this set-up, so they are correspondingly rare.
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Is the portion of the middle bar between the two doors removable so you can remove the top and have a flush surface across the entire body, or is it not designed to remove the top? It would be awesome to be able to put on a half rear door in the summer and run without a top.
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Old October 12th, 2007, 10:01 AM
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Nope, the door upright never comes off. I think even ECR's solution on the beach runners is less than perfect aestheically, but short of custom fabbing a roll cage that both looks good and duplicates the function of the upright, then you're going to have a problem. Without the upright connected to the roof, the rear door has no rigid mounting surface (it would only be mounted at the bottom) and the front door has no rigid slam structure, so it wouldn't close very well.
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Properly done, I imagine an internal cage assembly could be made to brace the uprights without needing anything visible above the body. Like the internal roll cage parts on the 90 up to the capping. It's not that I am against roll cages, but in this application I think the vehicle looks better without one (picture it with the windshield folded down even). If anything the top piece of the upright would be harder to keep rigid when installed. Easy to pin to the bottom side, but it would probably need a custom bow/ribbing over the top to keep both sides rigid and secured to the top (I don't know how whippy the top is).

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Old October 12th, 2007, 11:49 AM
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I want to go on record as being perfectly clear that removable aluminum door tops and corresponding bottoms exist for 110's. Janey would originally have been equipped with these doors. I have seen the parts and the complete doors for sale numerous times on ebay UK. They obviously aren't small and EZ to ship, but they are never expensive. The early 110's were the only vehicles equipped with this set-up, so they are correspondingly rare.
Charles, have a look in the vehicles for sale section a year ago for a thread titled "1984 110 with 300Tdi".
I think it has the doors Jim is talking about. There's a couple good pictures.
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Old October 12th, 2007, 12:01 PM
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Cool. Yes thats the one I remember seeing, and exactly what I'd want.

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...984+110+300Tdi
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