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Old July 18th, 2011, 11:38 PM
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I'd call Julian at global. These days probably best to do the build here as opposed to the UK, at least that's what I'd do for what you are considering. Unmolested 2011 probably requires 2x the price through an RI if it's even possible (legally possible that is).
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Old July 18th, 2011, 11:39 PM
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Old July 19th, 2011, 12:09 AM
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With the new emission laws coming into action in the UK, Im thinking that a lot more rovers are going to be shipped over here.
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With the new emission laws coming into action in the UK, Im thinking that a lot more rovers are going to be shipped over here.
What are the new emission regs? Pardon my ignorance....but just curious.
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Doubtful they're 100% legal, but they *are* getting in here somehow. These two are

1. clearly not Series trucks
2. less than 25 years old
3. did not appear to have air bags, crush cans, or any obvious DOT requirements

But there they both were at an independent shop in Santa Monica. I tried to talk to the guy driving the black one about how he did it. For obvious reasons he did not want to divulge the information. All he said was that if he told me, everyone would be able to import them. He's selling this particular black on for well over $100K.
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Old July 19th, 2011, 07:56 AM
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What are the new emission regs? Pardon my ignorance....but just curious.
Lots of diesel trucks will no longer be allowed in the greater London area ... Unusually the law is going to exclude existing vehicles so owners will need to sell them.
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Old July 19th, 2011, 10:17 AM
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Doubtful they're 100% legal, but they *are* getting in here somehow. These two are

1. clearly not Series trucks
2. less than 25 years old
3. did not appear to have air bags, crush cans, or any obvious DOT requirements

But there they both were at an independent shop in Santa Monica. I tried to talk to the guy driving the black one about how he did it. For obvious reasons he did not want to divulge the information. All he said was that if he told me, everyone would be able to import them. He's selling this particular black on for well over $100K.
The burgundy one it is definitely not a Puma, it has to be old enough as the cross member is OLD Style
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Old July 19th, 2011, 11:11 AM
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To be legit (under UK law -- US you are on your own) on points figure 1000 UKP for a donor, and whatever a frame swap costs in the UK.
I have done exhaustive research into this. According to the NHTSA the only way to 'rebuild' a 25 yr old truck is to restore the original chassis. This must be used for the rebuild and the vin must not be tampered with. The restored chassis can be powder coated but NOT galvanised. If a new chassis is use then its deemed a new car. The state where we do our rebuild allows us to rebuild with the diesel engines on a 25 yr old frame. There are currently NO Legal rebuilds being done in the UK. That is Legal to US and UK Law. UK law states that a vehicle may be rebuilt with a new chassis providing the rest of the original vehicle is used. It is illegal to chassis swap a new defender or any other car for that matter with a new chassis and stamp on an older Vin. I know of at least 2 UK Land Rover companies that have open investigations against the both in the USA and The UK.

We can build you one, and it will come with a clean CA title. It will be built in the USA, in the same way as other USA restorers rebuild cars, using an original chassis rebuilt and powder coated.

The engine is still grey market.
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I have done exhaustive research into this. According to the NHTSA the only way to 'rebuild' a 25 yr old truck is to restore the original chassis. This must be used for the rebuild and the vin must not be tampered with. The restored chassis can be powder coated but NOT galvanised. If a new chassis is use then its deemed a new car. The state where we do our rebuild allows us to rebuild with the diesel engines on a 25 yr old frame. There are currently NO Legal rebuilds being done in the UK. That is Legal to US and UK Law. UK law states that a vehicle may be rebuilt with a new chassis providing the rest of the original vehicle is used. It is illegal to chassis swap a new defender or any other car for that matter with a new chassis and stamp on an older Vin. I know of at least 2 UK Land Rover companies that have open investigations against the both in the USA and The UK.

We can build you one, and it will come with a clean CA title. It will be built in the USA, in the same way as other USA restorers rebuild cars, using an original chassis rebuilt and powder coated.

The engine is still grey market.
Ok, I'm going to play the devils advocate here. So, by that rationale my 1971 Series IIA can NOT have a new galvy chassis put on it? I'll say right now, for the record, that thing is pretty swiss-cheesy and winching it out of a sand pit last weekend I was nervous with the front end of it to say the least (not to mention the wing supports). I NEED to do a chassis swap on that thing, otherwise down the road it will not pass a safety inspection - and could potentially be dangerous on the road. So the NHTSA would rather have me put lives in danger than get my Series up to safety standards? This seems extremely hard to believe. So Atlantic-British, Rovers North, and various other US-based outfits that are selling galvy chassis by the container-load are selling them to folks that are then breaking the law by using them on their Rovers?
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Old July 19th, 2011, 12:15 PM
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Pretty sure that Julian is referencing trucks not yet/currently registered in the US.
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What you can do and what is strictly according to the law are often different. I think what was being addressed by Julian are requirements for importation and legal titling.
Sorry Josh, see you answered that.
I am curious, is there is a difference in requirements for commercial/special use vehicles?
Meaning, could one import a new 130 if it was to be used and registered commercialy?
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That does make more sense. Maybe I should do a galvy swap on my 88, then send the swiss-cheese that's left over to the UK for them to put a Puma on!

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I am curious, is there is a difference in requirements for commercial/special use vehicles? Meaning, could one import a new 130 if it was to be used and registered commercialy?
That's a good question...and actually I think that's how RN got their demo truck in - it's a justified business use, but because of that it can never been sold/etc.
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Old July 19th, 2011, 03:30 PM
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"The restored chassis can be powder coated but NOT galvanised."

I would love a citation to this regulation/ruling etc.
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the reason they gave was because galvanisation hides the chassis number, thus the chassis number is 'modified' I asked if we could powder coat and they said that is what they'd prefer. So thats what we'll do! We can build these trucks in our facility in CO, and we can also offer 300tdi and TD5 trucks as well.

also any other rover engine you desire!

They also said if a new chassis was added to an original vehicle only the DOT or state police could put the chassis number back on and we'd have to prove the vehicles had not been modified from 'standard'. Other wise the vehicle would be deemed a new vehicle and would be subject to 2011 safety laws.
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the reason they gave was because galvanisation hides the chassis number, thus the chassis number is 'modified' I asked if we could powder coat and they said that is what they'd prefer. So thats what we'll do! We can build these trucks in our facility in CO, and we can also offer 300tdi and TD5 trucks as well.

also any other rover engine you desire!

They also said if a new chassis was added to an original vehicle only the DOT or state police could put the chassis number back on and we'd have to prove the vehicles had not been modified from 'standard'. Other wise the vehicle would be deemed a new vehicle and would be subject to 2011 saftey laws.
I see. You can still see the numbers on the ones I have seen galvied and, if it is hidden, just take a blow torch and a wire brush and they will clean out fine.
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Ron what they say is if it get covered its been altered therefore its not legal, unless you cover the chassis number up before galvanising. Also 'New chassis' do not have factory numbers.
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Ron what they say is if it get covered its been altered therefore its not legal, unless you cover the chassis number up before galvanising. Also 'New chassis' do not have factory numbers.
This is so bizarre. Painting "alters" the number.
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Welcome to the UK way of doing things.
But this is the US way. Everything I wrote above was told to me by a senior officer at the NHTSA.
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