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Old January 27th, 2015, 12:39 PM
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Exclamation Have a Friend looking for a Truck/Importer

have a friend looking for a nice grey market truck.

110
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Galv chassis/bulkhead
modern 300tdi and up diesel
station wagon or soft top
4 door


needs to EVENTUALLY go to LA area and be registered in cali, guy has a healthy budget


Trying to help him navigate his first purchase and avoid the issues I did.
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Old January 27th, 2015, 12:44 PM
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------ Follow up post added January 27th, 2015 12:45 PM ------

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This isnt possible. You cant direct import into the Яepublik. It needs to be registered in another state first. So he can find one already here, or bring it in and register somewhere else first.

-Jeff
thats fine, and i should have known that one


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Old January 27th, 2015, 12:48 PM
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I'd be happy to help him find a legal Rover.
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Old January 27th, 2015, 12:50 PM
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thanks Derek,

ill get info from him and maybe we can set up a call
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Old January 27th, 2015, 11:37 PM
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This isnt possible. You cant direct import into the Яepublik. It needs to be registered in another state first. So he can find one already here, or bring it in and register somewhere else first.

-Jeff
I don't see how washing it through another state helps. I've been trying to figure out how to do this as well in California, and ran into this requirement from the California Air Resources Board (CARB)

From: http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/master_fa...t_cars_faq.htm

1975 model year vehicles to the present: (EXCLUDING any vehicle obtained by a California resident within two years of its date of production) require a "Certificate of Conformance" issued by the ARB after a successful laboratory test. This test is administered to the same standards required of new vehicle manufacturers, and for the model year of the vehicle . However, unlike new vehicle manufacturers, as an individual you are not required to meet the full range of additional testing and equipment standards such as On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) requirements, durability testing, low emission fleet averaging, or Zero Emissions Vehicle testing (LEV and ZEV requirements). So while these standards reference what a manufacturer must do, when required by the Direct Import requirements they apply to individuals importing a used motor vehicle. Some limited exemptions apply to individuals moving to California with vehicles of these years registered in their home state for at least a year before moving to California. Contact us for more information.

From my research, there is only one laboratory in California that performs this testing and certification. They are hard to get in touch with, and when I did, they told me that this process averages $25k. So, unless you fall under the clause of moving to California with one you already own. . . how would it work?

I have yet to meet anybody who has successfully done this. Anybody out there?
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Old January 28th, 2015, 12:43 AM
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Importing any Defender into the US on a galvy chassis with a 300 tdi is a definate NO GO, anybody here knows that.


I am sure you know that too Derek, I also mailed with the guy, you'd better tell him he has to adjust his wishlist.


I have this terrific 110 available with a 2.5 Td engine ready for immediate shipment


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Old January 28th, 2015, 01:06 AM
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I don't see how washing it through another state helps. I've been trying to figure out how to do this as well in California, and ran into this requirement from the California Air Resources Board (CARB)

From: http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/master_fa...t_cars_faq.htm

1975 model year vehicles to the present: (EXCLUDING any vehicle obtained by a California resident within two years of its date of production) require a "Certificate of Conformance" issued by the ARB after a successful laboratory test. This test is administered to the same standards required of new vehicle manufacturers, and for the model year of the vehicle . However, unlike new vehicle manufacturers, as an individual you are not required to meet the full range of additional testing and equipment standards such as On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) requirements, durability testing, low emission fleet averaging, or Zero Emissions Vehicle testing (LEV and ZEV requirements). So while these standards reference what a manufacturer must do, when required by the Direct Import requirements they apply to individuals importing a used motor vehicle. Some limited exemptions apply to individuals moving to California with vehicles of these years registered in their home state for at least a year before moving to California. Contact us for more information.

From my research, there is only one laboratory in California that performs this testing and certification. They are hard to get in touch with, and when I did, they told me that this process averages $25k. So, unless you fall under the clause of moving to California with one you already own. . . how would it work?

I have yet to meet anybody who has successfully done this. Anybody out there?
I am a California based Newbie so please forgive my ignorance...

DLB's post suggests that it is not possible to register an out of Country import into California, regardless of engine type. I have been told that I would have to import a diesel in order to meet Ca. Smog requirements. After reading through this thread and others, it would appear that practically speaking a California buyer is limited to either current California registered Defenders (easiest) or those that have been registered in another state for at least 2 years.

Am I getting this right?
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Old January 28th, 2015, 01:12 AM
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After reading through this thread and others, it would appear that practically speaking a California buyer is limited to either current California registered Defenders (easiest) or those that have been registered in another state for at least 2 years. Am I getting this right?
This thread just got off topic, but yes from a fellow San Diego guy, that's the consensus. The info on the DMV website and even info at DMVs themselves is all confusing. Some people even get processed through the dmv all good, but then ultimately get shut down once everything is forwarded onto the state level.

------ Follow up post added January 27th, 2015 10:13 PM ------

This has all been discussed in other threads, perhaps someone could link to those and we can give the original poster his thread back.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 01:17 AM
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I am a California based Newbie so please forgive my ignorance...

DLB's post suggests that it is not possible to register an out of Country import into California, regardless of engine type. I have been told that I would have to import a diesel in order to meet Ca. Smog requirements. After reading through this thread and others, it would appear that practically speaking a California buyer is limited to either current California registered Defenders (easiest) or those that have been registered in another state for at least 2 years.

Am I getting this right?
I'm not saying it isn't possible. I'm saying that in order to do it, you'd have to meet the CARB requirements. I was *ALSO* looking at diesel motors because they are exempt from the california smog requirements. See here:

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/vr/smogfaq

Currently, smog inspections are required for all vehicles except diesel powered vehicles 1997 year model and older or with a Gross Vehicle Weight (GVWR) of more than 14,000 lbs, electric, natural gas powered vehicles over 14,000 lbs, hybrids, motorcycles, trailers, or gasoline powered vehicles 1975 and older.

This doesn't exempt you from the CARB requirement to have the certification. That certification requires testing. I'm told that testing averages $25k. The problem I have is that on top of the price of the truck, then you're potentially into NAS territory pretty quickly.

I've also heard stories of people who are selling their registered California vehicles to out of state buyers becasue they can't meet the CARB requirements.

That said, I think you CAN register a non-original engine, but once you certify it, it has to stay unchanged. Again from: http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/master_fa...t_cars_faq.htm

Other important general notes: Grey Market vehicle regulations, like the new vehicle certification standards they are based on, are a performance standard and do not have specific equipment requirements. Whatever equipment the vehicle owner or vehicle modifier choose to make the vehicle pass the laboratory test, these will be the equipment requirements for all future inspections. In addition this means all vehicle and engine technologies are subject to the same standard. All fuels, all engine sizes, displacements, no. of cylinders, engine types and designs, even electric and hybrid vehicles must prove compliance by laboratory testing. Unlike California's basic Smog Check program, the Direct Import program does not have exemptions other than the original 1967 model year and older exclusion outlined above. And as a final note, these regulations only apply to passenger cars and light-duty trucks. Motorcycles and heavy-duty engines (used in trucks and buses) are required to comply with CA or USEPA from the date of manufacturer, no after-the-fact modification is permitted for products first sold outside the US market.

Wish somebody would set me straight. . .
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Old January 28th, 2015, 02:11 AM
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Searching for threads referencing "Kalifornia" reveals this thread plus many more http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ad.php?t=56293
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Old January 28th, 2015, 07:35 AM
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Let's just say this is what the guy wants. People have done it, no biggie if the truck comes over first, titled then gets swapped.

Looking at the end game here people.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 09:53 AM
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Thanks Mike I know. Just saying if he wants a galvi chassis he can have it replaced once state side.
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Old January 28th, 2015, 10:21 AM
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Isn't there a lhd tdi truck on a galv chassis for sale on this forum for a low price currently or has that candidate been discarded for some reason ?
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Old January 28th, 2015, 10:31 AM
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Good god. How many times do we have to go over CA emissions laws... over, and over, and over.

Short story... any engine manufactured after 1975 has to either be California Compliant, or meet EPA specs for its model year if it's older than 2 years old.

The 25 year exemption does not count.

Smog check and emissions compliance are two separate things.

NO LAND ROVER DEFENDER ENGINE MANUFACTURED AFTER 1975 IS LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA EXCEPT THE 4 YEARS OF NAS TRUCKS (1993, 1994, 1995, 1997). PERIOD.
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