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Old January 3rd, 2014, 12:10 PM
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Defender R380 Wanted

Looking for a rebuilt "short" R380 for the 3.9 V8 Engine Defenders. Thanks.
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 12:12 PM
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For what engine? Are you sure you are wanting a "short bellhousing"? If so, it is doubtful you will find a used one.
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 12:16 PM
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Updated my description. 3.9 V8
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 12:20 PM
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Okay, you probably need to clarify some more then. A V8 normally has a long bellhousing. The other reference for "short" and "long" is the gear stick. The "long stick" is the normal setup for a Defender and the "short stick" is for RR and Discos. So are you wanting a "short stick" box for a V8, as normally fitted to a Discovery?

Some explanation here: http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co...xes/r-380.html
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 12:33 PM
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I'm not sure if this is a project or your DD and how much time you have, but I have my old 60A (Def V8) tranny in a crate I would sell you cheap if you want to rebuild it yourself. It was fully functional on removal but I was getting alot of noise in all gears except fourth which I believe means some of the shaft bearings were due for change. I was holding it to rebuild as a spare but it is a space sucker in my garage.
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 12:39 PM
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I must be confused but I thought it was the other way around. I thought Land Rover build a shorter version of the R380 to swap out the LT77 back in production. This board would know more than me.

I have a 93 NAS 110 with a LT77 that needs to be replaced. I've read that the R380 is a better fit for the V8 but there is a R380 for Disco's and a shorter version for the Defenders that should swap out the LT77.
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 12:57 PM
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I thought Land Rover build a shorter version of the R380 to swap out the LT77 back in production.
That was for diesel engines. The V8s always used the long bellhousing. The Defenders have a different location for the shifter than the Discoveries and changing between the two requires opening the box up.

So you want a long stick, V8 box. They are not super common. You could also get your current box rebuilt. It is not complicated to rebuild as far as gearboxes go. The R380 is a little smoother, but not really any stronger compared to the later suffix LT77.

Regardless of choice, first look on Ashcroft's site and get a price with shipping. This gives you a baseline of cost when buying elsewhere, or here: http://www.urbanlandcruisers.com/sho...o-or-defender/
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Old January 3rd, 2014, 01:05 PM
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Thanks John. The work will be done at ULC but I was trying to see if I could save a bit by post a wanted ad on the board.

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As a point of reference when I got my NAS110, it already has a 60A R380 in it and the V8 bellhousing. I had pendy swap for the 2.8 TGV diesel, and the M&D kit uses the V8 engine mounts and bellhousing. Point being the prior owner had installed an R380 in mine.
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I could be wrong, I have been a lot recently. 1 short r380 applications was for 4 cyl motors i.e. 2.25/2.5/200 and 300 petrol and diesel. The long r380 is what is behind the 3.5/3.9/4.0 v8's. The bell housing is longer and the main shaft is longer as well. As for the difference between defender and disco Transmission there is absolutely no difference with the physical transmission it's self, yet the shift tower is longer on the defender to put it the proper location in the tunnel, with that said you can use a long r380 in either a defender or a disco but must take i consideration the shift tower. They are easily swapped out from one to another, I have only done it a couple times so I am not 100% sure.
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I could be wrong, I have been a lot recently. 1 short r380 applications was for 4 cyl motors i.e. 2.25/2.5/200 and 300 petrol and diesel. The long r380 is what is behind the 3.5/3.9/4.0 v8's. The bell housing is longer and the main shaft is longer as well. As for the difference between defender and disco Transmission there is absolutely no difference with the physical transmission it's self, yet the shift tower is longer on the defender to put it the proper location in the tunnel, with that said you can use a long r380 in either a defender or a disco but must take i consideration the shift tower. They are easily swapped out from one to another, I have only done it a couple times so I am not 100% sure.
Four cylinder trucks up to and including the 200tdi used a short bell housing LT77. The 300 Tdi uses a long bell housing R380 that is different than the V8 long bell housing. Input shafts are different in all 3 bell housings. Main shaft would not change with the bell housing.
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Thanks for the clarification. This is all good information to know. Anyone have a long R380 with a longer bell housing and main shaft for a 93 NAS 110 they are will with part with?
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There are a bunch of different R380 versions:

V8 defender (as fitted factory to late 94 and all 95 d90s - has a fairly long input shaft and bellhousing)
300tdi defender (long input shaft)
TD5 defender
Shaft shaft defender (replacement for lt77 in 200tdi/2.5/2.25 four cylinders)

Then there is the:
Disco V8
Disco 300tdi (also 95 RRC)
Disco II TD5
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