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Old July 20th, 2009, 10:49 PM
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Thanks Will. I agree looks like a clean well kept truck.

I wonder from a driving perspective if am I better off with a pristine truck with 90K miles are just a decent one with 50,000. I am sure as the miles add up, things start to go boom in the night regardless of how well it's maintained.
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Old July 21st, 2009, 02:50 AM
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Thanks Will. I agree looks like a clean well kept truck.

I wonder from a driving perspective if am I better off with a pristine truck with 90K miles are just a decent one with 50,000. I am sure as the miles add up, things start to go boom in the night regardless of how well it's maintained.
In my experience, this is just not true. If you replace a few normal wear items, the high miles trucks are no worse than the low miles trucks and, in my somewhat limited experience, a well maintained high miles truck is better than a no maintaince history low miles truck.

For example, my most recent D90 had 145k when I got it. It was well serviced its whole life, lived in a garage and had very good and very even compression on all 8 cylinders and, because it was owned by someone who knew how to drive stick, no appreciable wear in the transmission. I had to replace the water pump (a common failure around 150k and about $100 in parts and about 3 hours in labor) and I had to replace a hose (normal for any 15 year old truck), but otherwise it has been fine (minus a poorly installed replacement starter that killed a couple ignition modules--not the high miles faults). On the other hand, when I worked at the dealer, I would see really low miles D90s come it with what were, frankly, lack of use faults. Every year these things would need a new battery from lack of use. Seals would dry up and they would leak badly. I even saw two automatic transmissions would fail (which nearly never fail on rovers) because of lack of use (they started to slip). Simply put, there is no magic bullet short of a low miles AND well maintained truck that lived in an ideal climate (or a completely rebuilt truck--which is another matter). Finally, and most important, the biggest killer is rust and corrosion. Put a 10,000 mile D90 on the ocean or on Nantucket for 10 years and it is a rusty POS that needs a frame, bulkhead, cappings, seatbox and maybe even a tub which should not get more than $10k, but put a 150,000 mile D90 in a garage its whole life or in arizona and you have a truck worth buying at $20-30k (or maybe more for an LE).

Thus, buy a D90 that has been well cared for and concern yourself less with miles and more with rust and maintaince.

PS if you replace the radiator, water pump, alternator and the majority of the components in the ignition system (O2s, wires, plugs and TPS for a 1997), there are really not a lot of things that go bad on these trucks with miles -- assuming the tires and brakes etc. which are normal wear items with time/miles.
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Old July 21st, 2009, 08:35 AM
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In my experience, this is just not true. If you replace a few normal wear items, the high miles trucks are no worse than the low miles trucks and, in my somewhat limited experience, a well maintained high miles truck is better than a no maintaince history low miles truck.
I agree. All 3 of the Defenders I owned were higher mileage (70K and up) and they were no worse for wear than a lot of the low mileage Defenders we had pass through the dealerships. Truth be told, we couldn't usually get any Defender, high or low mileage, ready for sale at the dealership I used to work for without spending $3K to $4K in service and repairs first. Except #300/300. We hadn't even activated the factory warranty on her until I sold her NEW in 2003. She is a sweet truck, but definitely a collector.

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Old July 21st, 2009, 09:10 AM
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Thanks for the detailed response Ron....that was exactly the perspective I had looking for. Hearing all this talk of low mileage Defenders reminds me a little of the hype one hears in the Ferrari market. There, most cars are very low mileage in many cases under 10M miles! The adage there is "...a 20 year old car with virtually no miles is still a 20 year old car...".

Many of them suffer from lack of maintenance syndrome and lack of driving syndrome. If my friends at Copley would sell me 300/300 at a normal price ($55-60 for an LE with 7K miles) I would definitely turn it into a daily driver and give it back to them in 5 years with 45K miles! Otherwise send it to the Smithsonian.
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Here's another one. Lower mileage and a decent price. The interior has been customized, apparently.

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Old July 21st, 2009, 10:01 AM
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Thanks Will. The truck looks great, although I'm not so sure about the late nineties vintage "Range Rover Vogue" interior. :-)

NEWS FLASH: According to e-Bay....#40 has been sold. I guess I must have inspired someone.
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Old July 21st, 2009, 04:43 PM
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What is this LE worth? Very clean mechanically, some dings in the panels, but overall good and rust free. Was heavily modified, now only has lift and large tires. Speedo was replaced, reads under 20K, but carfax last report at 40-ish. So... 60K miles, overall a reasonable rating would be 6/10.

Thanks for any advice...

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Oh, and what kind of problem is the "unknown" nature of the mileage (value and resell)?
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Old July 22nd, 2009, 01:18 AM
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Old July 22nd, 2009, 11:42 AM
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Thanks for the posts guys. Seems like these truck are/have been on the market for a while. I am hoping that "gem" sitting in private hands surfaces.

We shall see....
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What in tha??? Who does this to a truck and thinks it looks good???
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Thanks Will. The truck looks great, although I'm not so sure about the late nineties vintage "Range Rover Vogue" interior. :-).
So have us swap the interior back to bone stock. Its easy and that looks like an otherwise nice truck at a pretty good price. Adding all that interior would be costly, but gutting it and going back to stock is easy.
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Old July 28th, 2009, 11:29 AM
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How about if I changed my plans from wanting a low mileage 1997 Defender 90 LE to a 1997 Defender 90 in Arles Blue with very low miles?
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Old July 30th, 2009, 11:40 AM
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Old July 30th, 2009, 11:25 PM
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Thanks Greg,

I saw this one on eBay (129/300). Relatively low miles (51k), looks in decent shape and plenty of extras. What do you all think about the amount of modification to this truck? I personally would prefer an absolutely stock example. This guy's description was a bit sketchy and I'm not sure I'm interested in all those upgrades.

Thoughts?
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I don't think the modifications are over the top. It sounds like this guy dropped some serious money on upgrades.

Personally, I am not a big fan of the power windows and locks, but it sounds like they were professionally installed. The LED tail lights are a nice upgrade. As is the Borla exhaust.

Buy it, and I will trade you my stock seats for the heated Trakkers!

You could easily put a stock bumper on, sell the ARB bumper and winch, take a few of the 7 fog lights off, and it would be pretty close to stock, minus the seats and the power windows/locks.

No, seriously, I want those seats!
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Old July 31st, 2009, 10:08 AM
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I have both front seats and all four jump seats out of a 1997 Wagon in near perfect condition if someone really wants them (they are in my series truck, but now that repo elephant hide is available, I could sell them).
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Has anyone had any experience in dealing with the folks in Alabama - LandRoversforSale.com? Seem like good guys and seem to have good trucks.

Any insights about reputation, service, integrity and credibility would be appreciated.
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Old August 27th, 2009, 11:11 AM
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I have - bought a 1997 SW from them and then eventually sold it back to them when I had to get ride of it. Stephen is a solid guy and very easy to work with. The D-90s they have are always in good shape and they make sure they are as clean as possible.

One negative is their prices are a bit high in my opinion but I do think you're getting a quality vehicle. Shoot them and email - very responsive and open.
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