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I'm about to convert a 109 5 door to a soft top and would like to fit rear half doors. Does anybody have 109 rear doors for sale?

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Old April 28th, 2009, 05:17 PM
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Trevor, I believe I have a good pair off an early 110, problem is I'm in the UK, so shipping would be expensive, and these doors are sort after so not cheap, have you tried Doug or one of the others who has brought a 83/4 110, if they've up graded their doors they mightbe able to help, otherwise email me.
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Thanks, Julian! I found a pic on the Copley Motorcars site that showed a 110 as a convertible with 4 full doors. The owner of the 109 likes the look and is going with that. His 109 front doors are 2 part, but the upper portion is body color, so it should look similar to a solid door.
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Old April 29th, 2009, 08:42 AM
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Trevor I have a set here owned by JimC but they need some TLC. Just wanted you to be aware in case you don't mind fixing up a set - pretty sure Jim is interested in selling them.

I'd love to hear more about this as I plan to do the same to Janey. What's the plan for a cage etc?

How far along are you on the project? I'm going to be at Rausch in 2 weeks.

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Old April 29th, 2009, 08:53 AM
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Believe it or not, I actually want those rear doors. The fronts I don't know about, but I've got planz for the rear ones.
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Old April 29th, 2009, 08:58 AM
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Oops, sorry. Scratch that.

Still want to hear about the conversion Trevor

Waiting patiently for my middle doors (HINT HINT Doug)

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Actually, the discussion about a cage didn't come up. I did just finish a structure on a S2 88 (can't call it a roll cage!) that turned out very well and most importantly the customer is very pleased.
The 109 is the Grey's Anatomy/Bucket List movie car that is overall in excellent condition. The current owner wants to have it convertible to suit the seasons-hardtop for winter and softtop for the other three.

Rausch on the weekend of the 15th? Springsteen is at the Giant Center in Hershey that Friday, but I could make it to Rausch for the weekend.
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Nice.

So what's the plan for the t-pillars on the 109? Make a interior hoop and tie them to it? I originally planned on adding a hoop to the t-pillars (even bent up some DOM) but think it will look goofy. Besides I really want to be able to go completely flat on the sides so my current plan is to make an interior "cage" that supports the t-pillars, make the top section of the t-pillars removable, and be able to bolt on an exterior cage if desired.

I'll be at Rausch the 14th and 15th for the KOH trials (pit crew), and then likely staying the 16th/17th to wheel as my club is having an event. You are welcome to join us.

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Working with Chris Laws in replicating this set-up:
http://copleymotorcars.com/nas_defen...3.1vo1475.html
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But with 2 piece doors.. I'd really like to see what that looks like with the top off and what they chose to do to support the T posts.

Unless he's crazy like me he'll want a cage of some sort.
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Old April 30th, 2009, 09:33 AM
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Charles - why haven't you just gone with this (at the bottom)

http://www.allwheeltrim.co.uk/LR-Mohair.html#Mohair

If the price is current, it seems kind of unbeatable for a complete set-up. I mean, you'd still have to ship it, but it looks pretty decent really.
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Well, to be honest I haven't done anything yet Besides really not having time for 2 rovers and actually use them as well as fix or enhance them, I'm still gathering parts, waiting for my middle doors, and really want to be able to section the T posts and have a flat roofline like you would on a 3 door 110.

But yeah I guess this solution addresses supporting the T posts in some way - I saw this before and really looked at that as a top and not related to structural support issues. And I had been considering a top "optional" to "unnecessary" beyond a surrey style top.

I'll at least send them an email to see if they have pictures of the hood setup and ask about T post support. I know I'm crazy to want to run without a top, so maybe I should just go with something like this.

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Old April 30th, 2009, 09:59 AM
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Do you mean chopping the posts and tying the pillars into an internal cage? I don't think you could do that and achieve the "flat line" appearance that you are shooting for, since a cage would still be sticking up, just now 2-3 inches inboard. Moreover, I'm sure running a door pillar with no support would be a recipe for disaster. That thing will have to be supported front-to-back and left-to-right. Otherwise the door sag will be monumental and the front doors will probably stop shutting after only a few slams.
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Ok, I'll try explain the ideal scenario I'd like to achieve which I think is very doable, just very questionable in terms of safety.

Picture an interior "cage" that has something akin to a D90 bulkhead eliminator bar going behind the front seats, ties into the T posts up to the top of the bottom door sections, and then has forward facing down the side of the seat box to the floor. Maybe rearward bracing across the middle row door opening if needed.

This "cage" would terminate at the top of the bottom half of the doors, with mounting plates that would allow a top section to be bolted on if/when needed. But without the top cage you could remove the top and have the T posts fully supported.

Now imagine the T posts cut at the top of the door bottoms as well with a small piece of door capping on the top to trim it out, and with the ability to bolt the top section back on when you have the hard top or outer cage section installed.

That's what I want to do. I'm envisioning running it topless a few months of the year with a surrey style top at best (but that gets into a hoop set or the outer cage) or nothing at all.

I'm not talking about trying to drive to work in it and worrying about getting caught by rain or that sort of thing

Then we get to safety. You could argue (as I do to myself) that this is no worse than someone driving a series or 110 PU without a hard top, but this doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. I do drive at highway speeds in it (have the speeding ticket to prove it) and I do take my family in it with me. So another part of me says "put the crack pipe down".

Fortunately I'm pretty busy, don't have my middle doors, got crap to do to the D90, etc. etc. so I haven't gotten very far doing anything about it.

Feel free to give me your opinions. I have thick skin and won't be offended
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good luck with allwheeltrim. I asked them to make me a 3/4 hood set for the 110 pickup while it was still in the UK. They responded "sure we'll get right on it". A month later they wouldn't return calls.
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The 110 s/t at Copley's is my old truck. It had the Allwheeltrim kit on it when I got it, but I converted it back to factory h/t, sold it, and the last owner had Chris convert it. All that said, the Allwheeltrim kit has a typical ROW crossbar hoop cutdown w/ feet added to sit on top of the B-post, attaching as the hardtop does. Not a concern for me, as the exocage was still intact. The last owner removed it when Chris did the current setup. Hope this helps a bit.
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Thanks Dale. And is the only forward/rearward support for the T posts given by these over door pieces?

http://www.allwheeltrim.co.uk/Images/90-110overdoor.JPG

Doesn't seem like much does it (lateral or forward/rearward support)?
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Those things are pretty stout, but I'd personally want more support if I was making a set-up (and I am scheming this long-term), partly because I'd want to remove them when I took the top off. I really prefer the Beach Runner-style NAS hybrid design since this feature is addressed.

Along other lines, how about a Safety Devices internal/external cage as in the Camel trophy trucks? you could do what you want to do to the door pillar, tie it into the cage hoop, and run it that way. You'd have to remove the front hoop when you attached/removed your top, but that's actually easier than removing the top itself. Once you get the top off, there is plenty of cage for slapping a surrey top onto. With this set-up, the only real deviation from stock is the cut door pillars and the "POE" style rear door set-up you'd need. Just put a soft-top header bar on the windshield when the roof is off and you'd be good to go.

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Plus it would look sweet!
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That's probably the right way to do it, especially given the safety concerns. Initial thoughts against it are

1. Dashes my whole "go with no top" concept
2. Something about the way the front hoops bending in like that doesn't appeal to me as much as the NAS style
3. I'm guessing this is pretty pricey. Their catalogue doesn't list prices so I assume I'd have to get a quote from EE or someone who sells these, but expect it to be pretty spendy - this was supposed to be a CB project

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Oh here is a clean shot of the front of the cage installed (different cage otherwise)

http://www.safetydevices.com/images/...al-front-i.jpg
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1. And rightfully so!

2. I agree that the front cage section isn't the bestest ever, but it looks good enuf on the camel trucks. Alternatively, you could just use get a NAS-style front section and then mate them up - you'll have to modify the center hoop anyways to support your pillars.

3. Based on last known prices for NAS externals, this could be 3-4k. From the sounds of it, SD is getting more organized and is even has this one lady acting as SD North America. I think it will only become more available.
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